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Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by dawnerd »

andromedaworld wrote: post #64
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The increased use of browser mining has made it a lot easier to convince people to globally disable Javascript (or install noscript/etc). Has it though? Do you have any data to back up this assumption? I can't find ANYONE who is tech illiterate who understands any of this stuff and those that I know are tech literate either don't notice or don't care about JavaScript. I've only ever met very, very few people who di…

I've disabled JS and only enable it in incognito when needed/when mandatory for a particular site. Tedious I know, but a habit I picked up when everyone started autoplaying videos.

Don't need javascript to autoplay videos.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

pmontra wrote: post #23

Does mining work also in reader mode? Probably not. There is also NoCoin. Anyway, I rather lend them some CPU than get ads on my screen.

I would rather do neither.

My CPU, my bandwidth, I decide what runs.

If they want money, they can put up a paywall.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by dawnerd »

cstoner wrote: post #17
rumcajz wrote: post #6

I recall we have once discussed this kind of payment for articles, but back-of-the-envelope calculation showed it would take ~170 hrs to mine one cent.

Is that really much worse than what advertisers are paying? I'm only kind of kidding.

I mean, if they're making close to zero because of adblocker, its better than nothing right?

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by dawnerd »

Nursie wrote: post #39

Great, more sites that will make my laptop sound like an aircraft taking off. Just nope. If you want to block me from accessing your content with an adblocker active, go for it. But you aren't using my machine like this. Without explicit agreement I wonder if it's even legal.

I would love it if browsers detected spikes in cpu usage and ask if you want to end the script, similar to when a page stops responding/locks up.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #14
mrtksn wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do I keep seeing this everywhere on the internet? There's no technical reason not to mine bitcoin on CPU.

The electricity to do so costs far more than what you generate. And you'd generate almost nothing even leaving a page open all day.

But these leeches don't care about that. It's not their CPU power and battery power being wasted.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #37

It seems that a browser should be built that offers X mining power while visiting site in exchange for no ads or trackers. Instead of malware, mining could be a way to free the web of all its privacy ills.

Paying for website access by needlessly wasting CPU power.

Doesn't sound like a particularly good idea, especially for laptop users.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by pjc50 »

lrns_ wrote: post #52
rspeer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't make sense because it's a negative-sum game. The only thing people are actually using Bitcoin for right now is to sell to other people for more than they bought it (or maybe to sell for less than they bought it to launder money). The total amount made by the buyers and sellers is zero (because every buyer is buying from a seller), and there has to be a constant inflow of new buyers just to cover the cost o…

Tell that to a Venezuelan, who can provide a family with a single antminer. It will make sense to you in 5 years.

How exactly? Who is doing this? Withdrawal from exchanges into Venezuela? Who is buying bitcoins for Bolivars?

How did the family get the capital asset of an antminer in the first place? How are they paying for electricity?

How is this sustainable? Why is a random family able to compete with businesses that have real economy of scale, rather than having their margin driven to zero?

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by SubiculumCode »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #77
SubiculumCode wrote: post #37

It seems that a browser should be built that offers X mining power while visiting site in exchange for no ads or trackers. Instead of malware, mining could be a way to free the web of all its privacy ills.

Paying for website access by needlessly wasting CPU power. Doesn't sound like a particularly good idea, especially for laptop users.

I understand this point. But on the other hand, it is not necessarily wasting cpu power. It is converting CPU power to payment for content, as a type of seamless micropayment, not requiring punching in credit card numbers, 3rd parties, setting up accounts etc. Some browser-based standardization of a unit of cycles per view might be established. I don't know, just exploring. The current state of the internet kind of sucks in terms of privacy.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by stevewillows »

For me, this calls back to a need for micro-transactions much like Flattr, but for all sites. Set your own category budget (e.g. $10/m for 'news'), and then the extension keeps tabs on the sites you visit and the categories they fall under. At the end of the month, the budget is divided up equally.

It doesn't sound like a lot, but even a dime or two per person adds up to more than these companies are seeing from the adblockers.

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