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Re: Protein that destroys HIV discovered

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Desirable and necessary resources are different. The entirety of the night in regards to hacker news however has been quite revealing. This place is no less a waste of time than telly. Your insistence simply proves so. Anyone who has been in a university just knows that they had access to the journals they needed, but perhaps not some they might have wanted to. Yet regardless, neither helps us in our endeavour. Wheth…

>Desirable and necessary resources are different. That's a bit of a retreat from where your argument was. But yes, I'm sorry HN is becoming such an echo chamber with no regard for honest discourse. In a lot of ways I prefer Reddit, since there's no pretension that the downvotes are anything other than a mindless disagree. Honestly, I think that pg probably has it backwards, and that comments should be flag-only while…

How did we get here from academic journal pricing?

Re: Protein that destroys HIV discovered

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Common. You probably are a college student, or the original poster is, or both were thus know full well that you get free access to the journals you need when you are a student. A journal has editors, some choose to have their journals in print which requires much money, and some journals have sub editors, and assistant editors, and chief editors, and a whole infrastructure which demands much money to be upheld. If y…

(I really wanted to write a reasoned rebuttal, but the more I read your posts here the less I can figure out exactly what you've intended to say. Maybe some of this disagreement is due to a misunderstanding over writing.) There are quite literally thousands of relevant journals for a college to subscribe to, and institutional access is fantastically expensive. In fact, the cost of journal access here in the US has ex…

What I intended to say exactly is very simple. The post which I originally replied to states that the guy intends to basically copy journal articles behind pay walls and put them on some site where everyone can access them for free. I stated that such a thing would firstly be a breach of copyrights, secondly is unethical, thirdly there is no reason to do it and I tried to give my reasons which are summarised below.

It is nice for sure to get stuff for free, but I suggested that someone would have to pay for it. If it would not be the current institutions and professionals which pay for it, then the money would either come from the research funding, or professor's pay, or higher university fees for students as professionals who work in that field need not buy such articles, but to publish such articles requires money which universities would need to find from somewhere.

I do not know if an editor is paid for editing, or a peer reviewer for reviewing, but many of these journals are printed. You can find most of them online but even there there is much overhead, such as customer support, people to add the articles online, format them and all the rest.

Currently, professionals pay for this infrastructure. If you are a lawyer for example, you would probably need access to these journals as the law changes all the time. So too if you are a doctor I would think, or a psychologist, or historian...

Universities pay for it too, but students do not directly.

You can argue that they charge too much, you can argue that the system needs to be reformed, but I was trying to argue that the journals do not need to be free. That is so because any given journal interests a very small number of people and the general public would not understand them or have any interest in them. If one is doing computer science, ok they might be interested to read one article or two in the field of medicine which might be of a general interest, such as the article in point, but generally, they wouldn't be interested to read articles from a field in which they do not operate.

Therefore, to conclude, as the public would not really have any benefit from having all the journals for free, I would rather the professionals who have an interest in the journals provide the funding to support them.

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