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Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by nxc18 »

dgzl wrote: post #50
usaphp wrote: post #14

While on topic of Skype: My God the latest Skype design update is abysmal, whoever come up with that horrible mess should be fired and never touch any design or management role at all. And it’s not only design but the ux is horrible too, when you switch between conversation - it does not focus on the chat box field so you can start typing right away, instead you have to click it first. This is a basic stuff for a cha…

I'll second this. I recently moved to a project that uses Outlook/Skype/Exchange for everything, and Skype is the bane of my experience. Why do I need a window for contacts separate from the actual conversations? Why do I need email recaps of every conversion, often times with redundant messages? Why can't I have a group chat that's intended to be a permanent 'room', and not just a collection of people who are virtua…

Is that Skype for business? I’m similarly stuck using it at work and it is uniquely awful.

We’ve been using it for years, but the video chat UI is so bad people struggle with it every single meeting. Even I forget from time to time.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by adornedCupcake »

legionof7 wrote: post #16

I made a request for e2e to Discord a while back. It became one of the most voted suggestions but got denied. Maybe this will push them to take another look.

On the other hand, I think they are trying to avoid the less nice usecases of communication by restricting themselves to gaming.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by danjoc »

tptacek wrote: post #45

Just to get a sense of the track record here, Signal Protocol powers: * Facebook/WhatsApp * Google/Allo * Microsoft/Skype * Signal Signal is also the basis for the protocols for Wire (Proteus) and Matrix (Olm).

Speaking of track records,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...

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Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by Matt3o12_ »

kettlecorn wrote: post #68
lvillani wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on iPhone X when you accidentally click top left corner of the phone where the clock is - for some inexplicable reason the whole conversation scrolls all the way to the top, which is incredibly annoying! That's by design and standard iOS behaviour (it has been there for years). Tapping anywhere on the system toolbar (i.e. where the clock, wifi, signal strength indicators are) brings the main scrollable view to its…

I just tried it on this webpage, and you’re correct! I really dislike behavior like this that is useful to a few people but is far more likely to be encountered accidentally and feel buggy.

I like it and use it all the time and many people I know also use it a lot. It is not as good for text that is most relevant on the bottom (e.g. text messages) but really useful for webpages, etc.. Some apps implement some logic to scroll back up when you tap it again (Apollo comes to mind).

The only disadvantage is that many users do not know about this feature (because there is no indication that the status bar tab is supposed to do something like that) which is the reason many use think an app is buggy after they have tabbed on it accidentally.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by spiderfarmer »

lvillani wrote: post #62
usaphp wrote: post #14

While on topic of Skype: My God the latest Skype design update is abysmal, whoever come up with that horrible mess should be fired and never touch any design or management role at all. And it’s not only design but the ux is horrible too, when you switch between conversation - it does not focus on the chat box field so you can start typing right away, instead you have to click it first. This is a basic stuff for a cha…

> on iPhone X when you accidentally click top left corner of the phone where the clock is - for some inexplicable reason the whole conversation scrolls all the way to the top, which is incredibly annoying! That's by design and standard iOS behaviour (it has been there for years). Tapping anywhere on the system toolbar (i.e. where the clock, wifi, signal strength indicators are) brings the main scrollable view to its…

It has been for years. I love it and miss this on Android (and MacOS as well).

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by etiam »

Aissen wrote: post #2

I can't help but read this with a cynical voice in my head: Skype used to have an incredibly bleeding edge P2P E2E encrypted protocol, and Microsoft threw it all away. Some might say for good reasons (mobile use case, supernodes straining routers, legal wiretap compliance issues); I'd respectfully disagree and observe that there's just going full-circle.

My cynical voice says "Can't harvest the metadata if people leave to other options in order to protect their content".

I'd still rather see Skype eaten by the untainted parts of the competition, but I suppose at least for people who will keep using Skype no matter what, this should be an improvement.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by kasparsklavins »

nolok wrote: post #39
usaphp wrote: post #14

While on topic of Skype: My God the latest Skype design update is abysmal, whoever come up with that horrible mess should be fired and never touch any design or management role at all. And it’s not only design but the ux is horrible too, when you switch between conversation - it does not focus on the chat box field so you can start typing right away, instead you have to click it first. This is a basic stuff for a cha…

Have you tried the skype mobile app latest update ? It makes the desktop version look amazing. Somehow, they thought we wanted skype to be a clone of whatsapp stories or whatever. Nothing works properly, it's slow as hell, but goody you can like and put a smiley on each individual message ! I used to really like skype but it has now become one of the worst, and I'm still forced to use it due to several of my contacts…

Would be really nice to hear from skype mobile's team. Wtf is going on there that stops them from shipping a quality product. There's long loading times, messages disappear, synchronization is as good as non existing.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by Severian »

walterbell wrote: post #46
danjoc wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can still lawful intercept. All they have to do is push a MITMed version to suspected law breakers. It's going to be closed source just like WhatsApp, so of course, it will be easy for LE to defeat while shedding crocodile tears publicly about how it's uncrackable.

How could Skype target binaries to individual users?

I would assume they would target using the machine guid windows uses for updates.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by walterbell »

lvillani wrote: post #62
usaphp wrote: post #14

While on topic of Skype: My God the latest Skype design update is abysmal, whoever come up with that horrible mess should be fired and never touch any design or management role at all. And it’s not only design but the ux is horrible too, when you switch between conversation - it does not focus on the chat box field so you can start typing right away, instead you have to click it first. This is a basic stuff for a cha…

> on iPhone X when you accidentally click top left corner of the phone where the clock is - for some inexplicable reason the whole conversation scrolls all the way to the top, which is incredibly annoying! That's by design and standard iOS behaviour (it has been there for years). Tapping anywhere on the system toolbar (i.e. where the clock, wifi, signal strength indicators are) brings the main scrollable view to its…

Have long wanted a home/top gesture, thanks!

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by Macha »

usaphp wrote: post #14

While on topic of Skype: My God the latest Skype design update is abysmal, whoever come up with that horrible mess should be fired and never touch any design or management role at all. And it’s not only design but the ux is horrible too, when you switch between conversation - it does not focus on the chat box field so you can start typing right away, instead you have to click it first. This is a basic stuff for a cha…

What gets me is that there's no conversation list. So if a group conversation drops out of your (15 for web skype?) most recent conversations, it's gone.
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