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Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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>Not to mention that by the time you get to your doctor, un-medicated, you will forget to tell about half of your symptoms. This is actually a major problem. I was diagnosed with ADD as a child but gave up the medication in my late teens because it had side-effects I didn't enjoy. Late last year, I thought it might be worth trying it again, maybe with a milder dose. I booked an appointment with a doctor, who referred…

A better system of tracking tasks is useful for everyone, not just ADHD. Try setting a calendar entry for a date on which you'll follow up if you haven't heard anything back, and use something like Google Keep (key point is it has a mobile app and webpage) to organize to-do lists.

>Try setting a calendar entry for a date on which you'll follow up if you haven't heard anything back

Thanks for the advice, but surprisingly I have actually tried just not having ADD. This simple advice doesn't work very well for me, which is why I'm attempting to pursue medication again. The calendar entry goes off, I try to contact the doctor, maybe they're not in today, it's half way through the work day, I go to set another, I spot an email while I'm doing it and start following up on that, and then 4 months later it never happened.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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I felt extremely sad on taking Adderall and other similar stimulant medications like Ritalin. Maybe the sadness effect would have gotten less with continuing the medicine, but overall, I didn't feel like taking drugs since they cause a lot of other side effects like insomnia. Now I've been able to control my ADHD successfully. Atleast upto the point that it has stopped affecting my life and career so much. a) 0 sugar…

How do you get enough vitamins without any fruits? Are you just using supplements?

Fruits are just dessert vegetables. You don’t need them for anything.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you get enough vitamins without any fruits? Are you just using supplements?

I take fruits which have no/negligible sugar like Amla, Lemos, Avocados. Once in a while, I do take supplements. But on the whole, I try to live a more natural life, with as less drugs/medicines as possible. Even for milk, I drink raw milk and not processed milk.

> a) 0 sugar in diet. Not even fruits.

Lactose in milk is a type of sugar.

edit: I see you replied below this. No added sugar but still no fruit.

But still I'd say you're missing out on the benefits of fiber in fruit. The sugar in fruit wouldn't concern me it's offset by the vitamins, minerals and fiber.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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> There are occasional claims that magnesium or some other substance can help reverse Adderall tolerance. I went to a particularly expensive Silicon Valley psychiatrist who did of course immediately put me on Adderall, but also put me on NAC supplements to "avoid tolerance". It's been okay, they're cheap, never bothered not taking them to experiment. I can confirm feeling better after eating foods with magnesium, mos…

Hmmm, never heard of adding NAC. And do you supplement magnesium too?

Your talking about things I’ve never heard of before, this does sound advanced. Any other things on your stack?

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Interesting stuff. I was diagnosed with ADHD 12 years ago (after undergoing testing because I suspected I might). I tried various medications and after several years found that Adderall XR worked best. Tolerance is real, though, and I’ve had to increase my dose over the years, but I take half doses some days and skip when I can, which subjectively seems to help.

The symptoms are definitely the sort of thing everyone can identify with to some extent. But I think the key detail in the definition of ADHD is that it’s a “disorder”. In other words, these symptoms are normally distributed but if the combination of them occurs often and causes distress to the patient and/or other people, then it’s real. Two people with exactly the same symptoms but different life situations or jobs such that one experiences distress and the other none should be diagnosed differently. Not everything can or should be reduced to objective ratings.

I’d also like to echo the observation that the restrictions and hurdles involved in getting an ADHD diagnosis and in acquiring stimulant medication for ADHD are seemingly designed to vex the ADHD sufferer far more than a neurotypical individual. I used to have to, once a month, call my doctors office to ask for a new prescription, then physically go there to pick it up, physically deliver it to the pharmacy, and then physically pick up the medication when it was available. Which isn’t always right away since Adderall is so commonly prescribed (and because my health insurance has an insane restriction that only covers the brand name—but that’s a different story). That’s three or four steps not required for the vast majority of medication that are each easy for an ADHD sufferer to forget, put off, or otherwise screw up. Laws have changed where I live recently so that I only have to deal with the doctors office once every three months but the physical delivery is still a requirement. Thankfully I live near the doctors office and have a flexible job. Most people aren’t so lucky.

So ironically it’s far easier for folks without ADHD to deal with getting Adderall than it is for those of us with the disorder. C’est la vie!

Edit: I also wanted to mention that I’ve found that I’m actually much more agreeable and less irritable when I’m on Adderall than not. My family has witnessed the difference and told me as much, and I feel it too. Whether that’s a direct effect of the stimulant or a secondary effect of the behavioral changes it engenders I don’t know but it’s worth noting that the potential personality changes aren’t all negative.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

#77
post #49

Any other managers notice that workers on Adderall will spend enormous amounts of time on totally non-productive or completely unrelated tasks?

I do this all the time. I have been diagnosed with ADHD, but I'm not on any medication for it. I think you're confusing the treatment and the disease.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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I started taking Modafinil about 4-5 years ago and my only regret is that I didn't start earlier.

I live in Europe so you can forget about amphetamines/adderall basically, only thing you'll get here is Ritalin and even that not as easy as you might think. Modafinil is easy to get on the internet though. If I lived in the US, I would likely be on Adderall I'd guess.

It helped me so much that I wouldn't have completed studies and got my current job if I wasn't on it. I know, because I still remember the struggles I've had before (and over time learned that I am not alone, that many, many people suffer from ADHD-PI or ADHD-like symptoms and all think it's just them...).

Also, fuck everyone trying to tell people that "eat better, sleep more and do sports" will fix ADHD-PI. You should totally do all of these if you aren't already, but it's not fixing shit. Medication works.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Author does a decent job of going through some things, but this statement did not sit well with me. >I don’t think there are good data here, but my intuitions and personal experience is that “addiction” of the sort you get with heroin or tobacco is very rare, at least when responsible people without a personal or family history of addictive behavior take stimulants as prescribed. Most people agree the risk is lower f…

If you have good insurance (so most people here that work full-time jobs in tech), then you should be paying almost nothing for Vyvanse.

If you don't have insurance, then contact Shire's affordance help or use one of those prescription assistance companies that handles it for you. I don't have insurance and I pay $35/mo to a company that got Shire to give me a free voucher for my 3-month prescription.

Just wanted to point that out to others.

Also, it's ridiculous that things like GoodRX and 3rd party assistance programs are viable business models.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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If anyone here reading this needs the motivation or gentle reminder: you might not need Adderall anymore. I've used it to get ahead in software for the past ~8 years. I recently gave it up, but it was hard to realize that it was time. It might be time for you, too. The thing holding me back was fear. Fear I wasn't enough, that I couldn't be efficient. That I would get fired from my high position. Or even if I could m…

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