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Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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Re: Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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Stick the computer on an exercise bike, set it up so its powered by a dynamo and get the programming, marketing and sales teams to cycle while working. Okay, that's not a good idea, but it's one I can see a executive coming up with to 'promote a healthy lifestyle' at one of those newfangled offices Apple and Google and the likes have.

Apple and Google already have walking treadmill desks, which serves the same purpose.

Do they get used much, or do they sit unused, somewhere out of the way?

Re: Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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Unfortunately while there is evidence that sitting all day is bad, we don't know if/what alternatives are good. Is standing better, or do you need to move? Maybe it is staring at something close (monitor, papers...) and sitting is only bad as a proxy (I know of no study that can actually say that hypothesis is wrong even though I just made it up). Modern life currently requires a lot of people to spend a lot of time…

There is some evidence that having to stand all day is bad for you:

https://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/standing-all-day-...

Re: Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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It's almost as if it's lack of constant (even low-grade) activity that's the problem, rather than whether you're sitting or standing. Perhaps not moving all day is the cause.

Minority Report style interfaces that require big limb+head movements?

Heh, nice try, but you don't even need a big interface to see how that pans out.

You realize how sedentary you are when you have to use a huge multitouch monitor for... half hour. Your arms will be heavy from just pointing and clicking at the screen in front of you.

This situation is very sad and I'm also looking for alternatives.

Right now what I'm doing is just taking a 5 min break every hour at work and walk to some random part of the complex pretending I'm delivering something or running some errand, just to get me a lil walk and stand time. While they allow me to do that just fine, I know I am also hurting my productivity quite badly because you're never in that kind of flow state where hours pass like minutes.

I want:

- Good productivity. Good time alloted to 'flow' - Not fuck my health in the long term too badly.

Let's share ideas!

Re: Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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> Correct me if there is evidence to the contrary, but I don't think humans were designed to sit or stand in one position for extended periods of time, habitually. Hard evidence? I can't give you that. But look at all of the other mammals out there. Almost all of them spend substantial amounts of time sitting. Traditional hunter-gatherer societies do almost of their work and food processing sitting down. Every hobbyi…

Got any pictures of this stool?

Yeah I'd be curious to see as well, if it's got some unique properties to it that would be useful to take example from :)

Re: Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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This article comes as I worked sitting down for 16 hours yesterday to hit a code deadline. I think Im going to get a standing desk ASAP...

Yeh, start bugging your employer (assuming you work for one) to get those awesome adjustable desks that can raise/lower to different heights. OK, they are a bit pricy, but if enough people speak up about it that should make things happen. Hopefully :)

Re: Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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Taking a bigger picture view, this makes me wonder.. we took so much effort to move from the industrial age, where hands on work, always active all day work took its toll on workers, to the service or knowledge age, where we sit all day and that takes its toll. Surely the answer lies somewhere in-between, that we must rest, and we must move, and the amount of each must be relative to each person and activity. I would…

> Surely the answer lies somewhere in-between, that we must rest, and we must move

I think the biggest change we made that caught us completely unprepared, was that we've committed ourselves to doing the same thing 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, all year long, for decades. I don't think our bodies evolved for this kind of effort (and I use the word "effort" even when the activity requires a lot of sitting, which is appropriate as the article shows).

If you look at hunter-gatherer societies, their activity is more "bursty", more casual. They go gather stuff for a couple hours, then rest; then perhaps do something else. They go hunt something, which is harder, and then rest a longer time. Etc. There might be periods of intense activity, then longer times of rest, or diminished effort. There are also seasonal variations.

The executive functions behind our foreheads, with their long term planning and their delayed gratification, are really pushing us pretty hard in directions that we're not fully adapted to.

Perhaps something similar happened to our diet. Three meals a day, every day, for decades - that's a very recent change in diet. It used to be a lot more "lumpy" throughout the whole evolutionary past that has shaped us.

Re: Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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> Correct me if there is evidence to the contrary, but I don't think humans were designed to sit or stand in one position for extended periods of time, habitually. Hard evidence? I can't give you that. But look at all of the other mammals out there. Almost all of them spend substantial amounts of time sitting. Traditional hunter-gatherer societies do almost of their work and food processing sitting down. Every hobbyi…

Got any pictures of this stool?

No, it is basically a boring hard flat piece of wood. Think of a bit of floor raised up off the ground. No back or arms.

Re: Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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Yes, but it isn't clear if they are worn out from 45 years of physical labor, or worn out because their body is 65 years old.

Presumably that's what studies would be for. Compare the joints of an office worker to the joints of an uninjured lumberjack.

Sure. Now compare their amounts of muscular mass, and the percentages of body fat.

I think the real problem is doing the same thing many hours a day, every day, all year long, for decades. Whether that's sitting, or felling trees, it appears to be equally bad, just in different ways.

We are shaped by evolution for a more varied lifestyle.

Re: Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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What's bad about the trend - don't offices typically give you a choice of which you'd prefer? Previous workplaces I've been at had the option of an Ikea adjustable height desk for people who would occasionally switch between the two.

I've had one of those and it was okay, but I much prefer my home setup - a standing-height desk and a draft-height chair. Nothing needs to move to switch, and so I switch regularly throughout the day.

What a good idea! I have a powered sit/stand desk but tend to only stand during meetings, which luckily (well, unlucky in this context) aren't very often. Going to give a drafting chair a try.

Re: Sitting May Be Bad for Your Heart

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I think the only real alternative is to get rid of the 8+ hour work day. Correct me if there is evidence to the contrary, but I don't think humans were designed to sit or stand in one position for extended periods of time, habitually. Unfortunately I don't see the 8 hour work day going away any time soon, so imo the best option is to alternate sitting/standing and take as many walking around breaks as possible.

> Correct me if there is evidence to the contrary, but I don't think humans were designed to sit or stand in one position for extended periods of time, habitually. Hard evidence? I can't give you that. But look at all of the other mammals out there. Almost all of them spend substantial amounts of time sitting. Traditional hunter-gatherer societies do almost of their work and food processing sitting down. Every hobbyi…

Traditional hunter-gatherer societies blend into their daily schedule some amount of sitting, some amount of walking, also running, also climbing trees, perhaps swimming, etc.

It's the variety that's the key difference. We do the same thing (whether that be sitting in a chair, or felling trees in the forest) all day long, for decades. The monotonous schedule seems to be the problem; we're not evolutionarily adapted to it.

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