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Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

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Post by vixen99 »

thg wrote: post #47
mnw21cam wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming "FB" means Facebook, what if one doesn't have a Facebook account?

If you're browsing with Firefox, the "Bypass Paywalls" Add-on is really neat. No further workarounds necessary. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bypasspaywall...

Presumably publications like the WSJ know about these bypasses and tolerate them unlike the The UK Daily Telegraph which doesn't for its 'premium' articles. However how is using them on a regular basis not fraudulent?

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Post by dghughes »

I couldn't read the linked story but I did see a video of this on a different news site.

What I found chilling was the level of technology. Each camera has AI built into it, your gait is tracked, your gender is tracked, your relationships are tracked going back one week.

The person being interviewed I don't know if he was proud of it or trying to calm fears by what he said. The point of the system he said is to gather as much data as possible on everyone so they can predict crime, very Minority Report-like stuff. So to calm everyone his point was we will know everything you do all the time in such detail we'll know your daily patterns. Lord help you if you are a spontaneous mood one day.

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Post by fortythirteen »

jackyinger wrote: post #4

The same thing is happening in the US. The difference is that the authorities here use much more subtle methods so it doesn’t appear pervasive. It is known that use and abuse of stingrays is rife in our cities and gag orders allow even wider silent collection of data we give up willingly to tech companies because we can’t see what’s done with it.

> The same thing is happening in the US.

Apologist nonsense. Have any of your neighbors been sent to reeducation camps?

Statements like this minimize the plight of these people.

Are authorities overstepping the bounds of the fourth amendment? Yes, and we should continue to fight them every step of the way. But we are still the country with the highest level of individual liberty in the whole world.

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Post by justicezyx »

Did you know how many people are killed each year in Xinjiang? Because of what western media called "understandable opposition from oppressed descendants of the CCP", where the killed are all just innocent people?

OK tell me, what the hell the local government should do to stop the terrorism attack?!

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Post by OisinMoran »

fortythirteen wrote: post #73
jackyinger wrote: post #4

The same thing is happening in the US. The difference is that the authorities here use much more subtle methods so it doesn’t appear pervasive. It is known that use and abuse of stingrays is rife in our cities and gag orders allow even wider silent collection of data we give up willingly to tech companies because we can’t see what’s done with it.

> The same thing is happening in the US. Apologist nonsense. Have any of your neighbors been sent to reeducation camps? Statements like this minimize the plight of these people. Are authorities overstepping the bounds of the fourth amendment? Yes, and we should continue to fight them every step of the way. But we are still the country with the highest level of individual liberty in the whole world.

Do you have a good source for levels of individual liberty by country? Would be pretty cool to see how some places stack up

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

liscovich wrote: post #3

Original WSJ article: "Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life" https://www.wsj.com/articles/twelve-days-in-xinjiang-how-chi... If you don't have WSJ subscription, paste the title into FB's search bar, and open the link via search results to bypass the paywall.

What is even the point of posting a paywalled article to a forum like this? Anyone who puts content behind a login does not wish it to be linked in an open forum. Period. If the WSJ wants their articles shared and discussed, they should build and maintain their own HN behind that paywall and keep it there.

Your suggestion of going via FB makes things even worse. Now there are two walls involved in keeping others out.

Or am supposed to keep a plethora of logins at hand just to participate in an open community?

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Post by icebraining »

karpodiem wrote: post #58
mnw21cam wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope - paywall still present.

Worked for me, I use Facebook though (may not work if you do not have a Facebook account?)

Worked for me too, and I don't have an FB account.

mnw21cam, maybe you're blocking the Referer?

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Post by chrischen »

jimmies wrote: post #5

I think one of the few really, really good things we have left in the US is that I _feel_ that I am trusted to do the right thing. I was in Singapore, a rich, orderly state for an internship a couple of years ago. There were cameras everywhere: Cameras on the sidewalks, cameras on the staircases, cameras in residential apartments, cameras in the subway, cameras at the workplace. There were very few places I feel not…

Tell that to a black guy.

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Post by chrischen »

agorabinary wrote: post #9
yadongwen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't know Singapore has so many cams as well. But then it's one of the safest countries and in the US i dare not walking alone in many places not worrying about being robbed..

Whether your wallet or your privacy, you are being robbed regardless.

There is no expectation of privacy in a public place, or on someone else’s property.

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Post by lmm »

Reason077 wrote: post #49
darrenf wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK the vast, vast majority of CCTV in the UK is privately owned and has nothing to do with police or government.

While it's no doubt true that the "vast majority" of CCTV in the UK is privately owned (pretty much every business premises will operate their own private CCTV), there are large numbers of police, local-government, and transport-agency operated CCTV cameras monitoring public spaces in the UK. If you look at somewhere like London, then pretty much every busy intersection, every public square, every station, every bus,…

> If you look at somewhere like London, then pretty much every busy intersection, every public square, every station, every bus, every train, etc has CCTV.

My experience as a londoner is that privately or quasiprivately operated spaces (including trains and buses) and roads do but public spaces like squares or parks don't. When I was mugged in a plaza there was no public CCTV coverage but the police requested CCTV footage from a private gym bordering the plaza. I think that's pretty normal for london.

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