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Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Google gave the market the option to go for a completely open environment with the Nexus One, and in the words of this wired article what did it get in return? "Not cool enough." The phone is brilliant, but the market went elsewhere with it's carrier locked subsidised junk models. That's just a market reality, like it or not. Google tried to "do the right thing" and the market went somewhere else. Making all these po…

The irony is that the Nexus One failed to gain support from the major carriers. The carriers instead released competing models using Android. Users don't really know the difference between a Droid and a Nexus One. They're both Google Android phones right? When Google released the Nexus One, I remember thinking they're competing with the carriers whom they depend on adopting Android. No way will ATT/VZN let this in th…

"Users don't really know the difference between a Droid and a Nexus One. They're both Google Android phones right?"

To everyday users they are all 'droids'. It doesn't matter if it's the nexus one or a galaxy s phone. Every regular user I have ever talked to about their android phone calls it a 'droid'. Even the original G1. Good for verizon I guess...

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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This article is absolutely ridiculous. Wired should be ashamed -- it is sensationalist, unrealistic, and absolutely dishonest in its characterization of the Google/Verizon policy proposal. The salient mistakes:

1. "Google and Verizon announced Monday, as part of their bilateral net neutrality trade agreement they want Congress to ratify, that open wireless rules were unneccessary.

“We both recognize that wireless broadband is different from the traditional wire-line world, in part because the mobile marketplace is more competitive and changing rapidly,” the joint statement said. “In recognition of the still-nascent nature of the wireless-broadband marketplace, under this proposal we would not now apply most of the [Net Neutrality] wire-line principles to wireless, except for the transparency requirement.”

That’s fancy language for: Verizon and the nation’s telecoms have yet again won, Google officially became a net neutrality surrender monkey, and you — as an American — have lost."

The proposal[1] specifically notes that the wireless exemption is time-limited-- it is noted that "at this time" these rules would not apply. The proposal includes an annual review of this position, and the transparency requirement attempts to ensure that this review could be conducted fairly and with good information.

2. "Google could have fought. It had plenty of tools at its disposal. It could have made phones that worked on all of those networks, and then sued those companies if they didn’t allow users to get fair plans."

Really? And destroyed any hope of Android ending up on those carriers in the future? Does anyone really think this is a sane proposition? (Does anyone believe that Google wouldn't be painted as a litigious bully by the very same critics throwing around such absurd language as "carrier-humping surrender monkeys"?)

3. "The FTC would have had a reason to pry into unfair business practices. Google could have eschewed online-only selling and partnered with the many independently owned mobile phone shops around the country, so that potential customers could play with the device before plunking down $500."

The reasons for the Nexus One's failures are complex, but I certainly think that one of them was that many consumers don't want to pay $500 for a device, and are more than happy to sign multi-year contracts in order to get a subsidy on a smartphone.

4. "Google easily could have attached conditions to all Google-powered Android phones, banning carrier software that can’t be removed just as easily as any other app. (Try getting rid of Sprint’s Nascar app on the EVO — if you don’t have root, it can’t be done.). These conditions also could have banned the blocking of Android 2.2’s built-in ability to be a Wi-Fi hot spot, which both Sprint and Verizon have crippled."

I know the "open" crowd isn't a fan of these management policies-- I'm not either-- but it seems hypocritical to assert that certain kinds of customizations shouldn't be allowed on open-source software. The author essentially wants Google to be the arbiter of what "openness" means, and moreover, to apply an unequal standard to customers versus carriers.

Boo-hoo, right? Verizon certainly can deal with getting the short end of that stick. But the way they would most likely do that is to drop Android altogether. At which point no one gets to customize it at all.

I am continually mystified by the legions of Google critics who expect that, because they are huge, they can do whatever they want-- completely ignoring the fact that they are huge because they often don't do what they want to. Android is a success precisely because it balances openness with pragmatism. At times I disagree on the balance that Google has chosen, but I don't for a minute believe that Google can simply ignore reality and force carriers to accept a model of the internet that they fundamentally disagree with.

We can argue about the merits of particular Google decisions (like, say, the wireless exemption in the current policy proposal), but I don't think we get anywhere by mis-characterizing them and using the kind of polarizing, childish language like "carrier humping surrender monkeys".

[1]: http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.google.com/goog...

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's a clearly superior product for me because I haven't called tech support for about 17 years, that's why point 1 & 2 are utterly irrelevant to me. And yes, the average end users just don't care, they don't understand, they don't think, they don't even want to, as entrepreneurs we already know this through our own experiences most likely, letalone needing to see it demonstrated writ large in this particular i…

> the average end users just don't care, they don't understand, they don't think, they don't even want to, They shouldn't have to.

If they want to deal with the kind of organisation that focuses their efforts on making better products rather than handholding their customers, by definition, they have to.

They don't though, that's not news, we all get it, we all live in the same marketplace, and we all get used to that eventually and just deal with it. Participating in it doesn't mean we have to think it's a great thing, I think it says bad things about humanity as a whole personally.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Google gave the market the option to go for a completely open environment with the Nexus One, and in the words of this wired article what did it get in return? "Not cool enough." The phone is brilliant, but the market went elsewhere with it's carrier locked subsidised junk models. That's just a market reality, like it or not. Google tried to "do the right thing" and the market went somewhere else. Making all these po…

Not cool enough was hardly the problem - count instead: 1 - the phone came with waaaay substandard service - no live customer service, barely service via email 2 - no chance for the wide consumer market to play with the phone or interact with the phone with online sales only 3 - mixed reviews from the professional tech review community So while I agree google made an attempt it felt to me much more like a half assed…

On Point 2 (I think this killed it):

I literally stopped by three brick and mortar T-Mobile stores back in May (my family's contract with Sprint was ending) to simply try a Nexus One out and not a single store had one anywhere in site. There were no promotional banners, there were no phones on display, and even when I asked the employees I got one response of "We don't have any in stock" and one response of "We don't show that phone".

All in all a terrible experience, and when confronted with 3 other family members who aren't very tech savvy, a phone they couldn't hold in their hand turned out to be an impossible sell.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did it really try? Did it spend any money on advertising? Did it give the project a chance to succeed? Did it push back at the carriers? Blame the market all you want, but if Google aren't even going to inform the majority, that ain't the markets fault.

I saw a ridiculous ton of hype for the phone both prior to and after the release of the phone, but I acknowledge that may well be due to the fact that I look in all the places likely to make a huge fuss over such a device. On the carrier front though, retail stores that were actually marketing to end users, I guess this is as good an illustration of my point as any; http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/11/nexus_one_s…

Well of course, do did I, so did most people here. We read tech blogs a lot. Most people in the world do not.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's a clearly superior product for me because I haven't called tech support for about 17 years, that's why point 1 & 2 are utterly irrelevant to me. And yes, the average end users just don't care, they don't understand, they don't think, they don't even want to, as entrepreneurs we already know this through our own experiences most likely, letalone needing to see it demonstrated writ large in this particular i…

> the average end users just don't care, they don't understand, they don't think, they don't even want to, They shouldn't have to.

Where do we draw the line? At what point is it permissible to suggest that someone should bother to show the slightest bit of interest in a product, technology, or field that they are becoming increasingly dependent on?

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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When did our culture shift to this point that everyone puts their problems on the government? Everyone complains about Apple's closed iPhone ecosystem, then pesters the government to condone jailbreaking and unlocking, which go against the iPhone's terms of service. Comcast is caught throttling bittorent, and instead of switching providers to satellite or Verizon or anything, everything goes to the government and dem…

P.S. If you disagree with me and believe that legislation limiting the contacts that can be signed between two parties is necessary, please reply and explain why instead of downvoting an alternate point of view. This isn't reddit.

You're being downvoted because you evidently haven't spent five minutes thinking through your position.

The fact is, the minute that Comcast's cable leaves my property line, it's a government matter. If they don't want government interference, then they can figure out a way to provide service without using public land, public monopolies, and public tax breaks.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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I was under the impression that Google put a special clause in their charter(?) that gave them special permission to make decisions that appear to go against their bottom line.

I'm not aware of any such clause, are you thinking of "don't be evil"? What you may be thinking of is some of the weird voting rights arrangements: "In an unusual provision for a technology company, Google will create two classes of shares with different voting rights, a move that aims to guarantee that founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page will maintain decision-making authority" A clause like that doesn't affect the…

I think you're right; I can't seem to find anything that gives them special non-profit-seeking privilege. The only thing related is the "Don't be Evil" statement in their Owners Manual for Shareholders that states:

"Don't be evil. We believe strongly that in the long term, we will be better served-as shareholders and in all other ways-by a company that does good things for the world even if we forgo some short term gains. This is an important aspect of our culture and is broadly shared within the company."

I guess the exceptionally weak phrase "even if we forgo some short term gains" included in a non-legal document isn't really much protection.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the average end users just don't care, they don't understand, they don't think, they don't even want to, They shouldn't have to.

Where do we draw the line? At what point is it permissible to suggest that someone should bother to show the slightest bit of interest in a product, technology, or field that they are becoming increasingly dependent on?

There are a lot of people that are dependent on their car, but don't know much more than how to turn the steering wheel and push the gas/brake pedals.
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