Net Neutrality already attacked in Portugal

Post by mosselman » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 9:12 AM UTC

pdpi wrote: post #46

mosselman wrote: post #20

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Your reasoning does not add up. On the one hand you are saying that American ISPs are worse than those in Portugal and on the other hand you are saying 'never fear' they are only charging extra on the high end connections. Shouldn't you be saying: "Look, in the US ISPs are already overcharging and throttling connections, even for high prices plans. In Portugal the prices are a lot more reasonable, but even those less…

> In Portugal the prices are a lot more reasonable According to [1], the average monthly net salary in Portugal is €846 ($993), or €1,158 ($1358) gross. For comparison, [2] lists median US individual gross income as $32,140 yearly ($2678/mo, not sure what the net works out to). Accounting for income disparity, the Portuguese prices are not as reasonable as you think. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_…

I didn't say they were reasonable, thisisit seemed to say this.

Post by mcv » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 3:13 PM UTC

craftyguy wrote: post #48

mcv wrote: post #39

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> what happens if the general datacap goes down, even maybe to 0? Then I get a subscription with a bigger data cap. The big problem with a lack of Net Neutrality is when there's a lack of competition and ISPs use their monopoly over their users as a product with which to strongarm the web services I want to use out of extra money. As long as they keep treating us as the customers and not the product, and make it clea…

>The big problem with a lack of Net Neutrality is when there's a lack of competition You just summed up the exact situation in the US. Most areas have a giant ISP and some smaller ISPs serving more limited areas. There's effectively no choice for consumers though, since many of the smaller ISPs have to use infrastructure of the local ISP monopoly to deliver service.

Well, that's indeed a big problem, and very big reason why Net Neutrality is important. I live in Netherland and I have half a dozen broadband providers to choose from, including one that strongly believes in freedom of information, so I'm fine without legally mandated Net Neutrality.

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