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Re: Re: Moving from PHP to Go and Back Again

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Post by blackoil »

noncoml wrote: post #9
klodolph wrote: post #3

Everyone I know who uses Go complains about it. Every day you write Go code you will come across some piece of code that would be shorter with templates in C++ or using , or you could do it more simply in Python, or if you were really clever it would be a single line of Haskell. And yet we keep writing Go. By comparison, I'm a bit put off by the Rust community's evangelism, but that might just be my personal experien…

> And yet we keep writing Go. What are the alternatives if you want something with type checking? Java? No, thanks. Haskel? Where are the libraries? C/C++? I guess Typescript is the only alternative

C#. Its pragmatic and now cross platform, has got OOPS and the functional features you need.

Re: Re: Moving from PHP to Go and Back Again

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Post by TurboHaskal »

psergeant wrote: post #16
noncoml wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And yet we keep writing Go. What are the alternatives if you want something with type checking? Java? No, thanks. Haskel? Where are the libraries? C/C++? I guess Typescript is the only alternative

I’d really like a strongly typed (or optionally typed) Python or Perl derivative. Rust feels most Perl-like so far.

Why do you say that? I love both Perl and Rust, yet the latter doesn't feel very perlish to me.

Re: Re: Moving from PHP to Go and Back Again

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Post by baby »

klodolph wrote: post #3

Everyone I know who uses Go complains about it. Every day you write Go code you will come across some piece of code that would be shorter with templates in C++ or using , or you could do it more simply in Python, or if you were really clever it would be a single line of Haskell. And yet we keep writing Go. By comparison, I'm a bit put off by the Rust community's evangelism, but that might just be my personal experien…

I'll give you my point of view then: I'm super happy with Go and way less happy when I have to read C++ with templates.

Re: Re: Moving from PHP to Go and Back Again

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Post by pjmlp »

klodolph wrote: post #3

Everyone I know who uses Go complains about it. Every day you write Go code you will come across some piece of code that would be shorter with templates in C++ or using , or you could do it more simply in Python, or if you were really clever it would be a single line of Haskell. And yet we keep writing Go. By comparison, I'm a bit put off by the Rust community's evangelism, but that might just be my personal experien…

Not me, I only touch it when the customer says so, and it is usually Docker related assignment.

Re: Re: Moving from PHP to Go and Back Again

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Post by pjmlp »

tobbyb wrote: post #46
klodolph wrote: post #3

Everyone I know who uses Go complains about it. Every day you write Go code you will come across some piece of code that would be shorter with templates in C++ or using , or you could do it more simply in Python, or if you were really clever it would be a single line of Haskell. And yet we keep writing Go. By comparison, I'm a bit put off by the Rust community's evangelism, but that might just be my personal experien…

A slightly different perspective. For the end user Go apps are by far the easiest to setup and use. Usually it's just a single binary to download. That is a huge advantage that can't be beat. Other languages usually need a large number of dependencies, with Ruby and Node, often an entire build environment, with plenty of potential for dependency hell and hours wasted. Some may advocate containers at this point, but i…

All compiled languages support static linking, nothing special about Go.

Re: Re: Moving from PHP to Go and Back Again

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Post by psergeant »

TurboHaskal wrote: post #72
psergeant wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d really like a strongly typed (or optionally typed) Python or Perl derivative. Rust feels most Perl-like so far.

Why do you say that? I love both Perl and Rust, yet the latter doesn't feel very perlish to me.

Seems it’s optimized for developer enjoyment and is a big language that allows for terse expression, as well as a few ways to achieve the same thing.

Re: Re: Moving from PHP to Go and Back Again

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Post by pjmlp »

noncoml wrote: post #9
klodolph wrote: post #3

Everyone I know who uses Go complains about it. Every day you write Go code you will come across some piece of code that would be shorter with templates in C++ or using , or you could do it more simply in Python, or if you were really clever it would be a single line of Haskell. And yet we keep writing Go. By comparison, I'm a bit put off by the Rust community's evangelism, but that might just be my personal experien…

> And yet we keep writing Go. What are the alternatives if you want something with type checking? Java? No, thanks. Haskel? Where are the libraries? C/C++? I guess Typescript is the only alternative

Java, C#, F#, C++, D, Rust, OCaml, Haskell, FreePascal, Ada, Swift, Nim look all pretty fine to me, and yes there are ways to compile Java and .NET languages to native code just like Go.

As for libraries, what matters is if the desired use case is covered, not winning the App Store count.

Re: Re: Moving from PHP to Go and Back Again

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Post by edem »

I see no facts or genuine refutation in this article, just opinions. Therefore I can only assume that truth hurts because the article you are trying to argue with has a bunch of valid points. If you look at the history of Go you have to realize that it was created for the reason which is in the original article: to be a better C.

If you come from C it is good, sure. And you can write big projects in it like in C (just think about Linux or Unix). But if you come from a high level language like Java (which is also performant by the way) Go feels like wearing a straitjacket! Go lacks the most basic tools which any seasoned developer can expect from a language (like generics). Just look at [my response](https://medium.com/@addamsson/this-article-is-wrong-in-so-ma...) to this topic elsewhere.

Re: Re: Moving from PHP to Go and Back Again

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Post by pjmlp »

cft wrote: post #4

I don't know why the author bothered to even respond to that Medium article. The Medium article starts with that Go shines as a systems programming language. He lost me right there: how can a language with a garbage collector and a runtime be called a "systems programming language"?

Since Xerox PARC, UK Royal Navy, DEC, HP Labs, ETHZ, Microsoft Research have implemented full stack OSes in GC enabled systems programming languages.

At ETHZ Oberon workstations were used during a couple of years by several users across the department.

Most of those attempts failed due to losing the political and financial wars of bringing them into the wider market, not because of lack of features.

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