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Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by zaroth »

lotyrin wrote: post #48
zaroth wrote: post #42

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> solicit large donations from individuals who cannot afford such donations. This makes no sense. Either Dad should take back the credit card or adults can make their own decisions. Either way, I can’t see how that would have anything to do with the person streaming the video asking for cash! I mean, argue that cute girls have it easy getting cash for titilating their viewers. Argue that Twitch isn’t for tits. But ar…

People don't exist in such clean categories, there is a spectrum on which everyone lies w.r.t. their abilities of self awareness and self control and their knowledge of their present and future situations, and therefore their ability to act within their own best interests. Communities which seek to maximize future outcomes for their members necessarily seek to aid them by limiting harmful actions. Where the lines are…

Trying to protect someone against their own urges to give someone money over the internet in return for nothing... I mean how suggestible would you have to be? Society and community is not meant to act in loco parentis, unless you have an IQ ~60.

This is not any kind of fraud, or bait and switch. This is, I show you an image and ask you to send me money. No, the world I want to live in presumes a level of self discipline and self responsibility, and offers a freedom of speech which I think is antithetical to the level of thought-police that your idea of community policing would require.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by tomc1985 »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #69
tomc1985 wrote: post #37

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Watching the world drift further and further towards moral prudery is so disheartening, especially when so much social progress was made on this front during the 60s and 70s. Society is so cyclical :/

I'm not sure where you got the ideal that moral prudery is involved here, but it has nothing to do with that. The people who want "twitch girls" off the site do not have any objections to cam girls. The problem is that they're hijacking a service that was built for and by a specific community. Twitch has a large number of sex workers who are just using it as a conduit to find "customers" and are not contributing to t…

My age group (and younger) seems to be trending towards a more conservative-yet-inclusive set of morals. This new stink about camgirl streamers is just one facet of something wider and more encompassing. Or maybe I'm just pissed that people are growing up and favoring more family-friendly stuff.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

tomc1985 wrote: post #72
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #69

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I'm not sure where you got the ideal that moral prudery is involved here, but it has nothing to do with that. The people who want "twitch girls" off the site do not have any objections to cam girls. The problem is that they're hijacking a service that was built for and by a specific community. Twitch has a large number of sex workers who are just using it as a conduit to find "customers" and are not contributing to t…

My age group (and younger) seems to be trending towards a more conservative-yet-inclusive set of morals. This new stink about camgirl streamers is just one facet of something wider and more encompassing. Or maybe I'm just pissed that people are growing up and favoring more family-friendly stuff.

No, again, it has nothing to do with morals. There are many sites for sex workers, and rest assured that many in the twitch community who would prefer that they not hijack twitch also visit those other sites.

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Post by astura »

mschuster91 wrote: post #30
freeflight wrote: post #22

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> Anyone that thinks that Twitch isn't turning in to a soft-core cam girls site can just load the IRL section of Twitch and see for themselves. And it's not even like anybody is trying to hide it, the Patreon's of many of these Streamers involve rewards like "Private lewd pictures" and their "gaming" often boils down to a video of a game being played in a small corner of the screen or simply playing rhythm/dance game…

I dont see what's exploitive on young males there. Older generations have had Playboys from the gas station and dad's VHS collection (or if they knew someone, their own), my generation had emule, Us porn sites and prepaid CCs, the new generation has patreon and camgirls.

Difference being your Playboy magazine doesn't personally acknowledge you and make a lewd gesture for you when you give it $5.

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Post by paxy »

jchw wrote: post #32
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #2

Twitch already has a flagging system for "mature" content, and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively. It sounds like this is actually a call to police the use of sex appeal by streamers, which seems like a difficult thing to judge in general and I'm not sure how they could actually achieve such a thing.

>and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively. Framing it as if they only ban aggressively for actual nudity is unfair. They ban aggressively on all kinds of fronts, including very subjective criteria, they just do it very inconsistently. For all I care, they can do whatever they want. But I do feel like they are hard to take seriously until they decide to apply their rules equally. They do not. They…

It is impossible to consistently apply a policy as subjective as sexual/mature content. Way bigger platforms than them have tried and routinely fail at it. You can keep trying to define what is or isn't acceptable, and people will keep coming up with more ambiguous content. The best anyone can do in this situation is look at user reports and make a judgement call.

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Post by sAvi0r »

r00fus wrote: post #59
jchw wrote: post #32

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>and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively. Framing it as if they only ban aggressively for actual nudity is unfair. They ban aggressively on all kinds of fronts, including very subjective criteria, they just do it very inconsistently. For all I care, they can do whatever they want. But I do feel like they are hard to take seriously until they decide to apply their rules equally. They do not. They…

> But I do feel like they are hard to take seriously until they decide to apply their rules equally. They do not. Any examples that can help me understand? Perhaps the advertising angle goes hand in hand with the above inequality. Ads are essentially buying real-estate in your brain. One way is to have exclusives (i.e., buying out the room), another is Yelp-style (pay-to-play).

Debate with Pink Sparkles - Twitch Boobie Streamers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ZbIpT2PXg (24:00)

Twitch Booby Streamers - A Crisis of Culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySypTRw8AvY (50:06)

If you've got the time, the above two videos are a great rundown of the current 'sexual streaming' situation on twitch by one of the first ever professional streamers. He can be a bit edgy at times, and there's swearing in the video if that's not your thing, but he has a solid, well thought-out opinion when it comes to most things. The whole situation is a mess, with crazy misogynist incel types on one side and Twitch on the other just sort of ignoring complaints and being complicit in the mass harassment of some of the women on their platform.

If you want some examples of their inconsistent application of the rules, you could check out many of the things LegendaryLea was given short temporary bans for, then compare it to e.g. the stream IamSSunny was permanently banned for, which was later arbitrarily reduced to a temporary ban - driving home just how inconsistent they are with their own rules. Mildly NSFW though, so I won't post any direct examples here.

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Post by tomc1985 »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #73
tomc1985 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My age group (and younger) seems to be trending towards a more conservative-yet-inclusive set of morals. This new stink about camgirl streamers is just one facet of something wider and more encompassing. Or maybe I'm just pissed that people are growing up and favoring more family-friendly stuff.

No, again, it has nothing to do with morals. There are many sites for sex workers, and rest assured that many in the twitch community who would prefer that they not hijack twitch also visit those other sites.

It's sequestered off into "IRL" which is buried amongst other titles of games. Earlier today, among the dozens of front-page feeds of people doing random things there were maybe three, now I see one (and its one of the same people as before). So unless the demographics of streamers have shifted in the past couple of days since this popped up on reddit, it's hard to consider it a takeover?

Reiterating OP, the momentum of this thing looks more like -- whatever it was before -- it is becoming or has become an generalized attack on sex appeal in a realm where AO/R/18+-rated content is still frequently a kiss-of-death, if not something needlessly danced around. I get that some gamers may not want this kind of thing but, c'mon, let people be people. If it's really bothersome then leave the site and maybe management will make a change after enough follow suit. It's already buried in a ghetto of other banners under "Browse" and I didn't see and there doesn't seem to be any other way to get to it besides search.

Also the twitch community should really evaluate it's complaints about outsiders given that it exists in the husk of justin.tv's corpse.

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Post by didibus »

crsv wrote: post #7

It's interesting to see the timing on when mainstream media runs these things. BBC is picking this up when most of the intensity around the topic was piping up on Reddit over the last couple of months. I just find the lag between when something hits the BBC vs the people directly involved with it fascinating. The devolution of stream content on Twitch is really is something that needs to be addressed though. Anyone t…

Interesting, I watch a lot of IRL, in fact I got back into twitch because of it. I follow sketch artists, someone who live streams their travels around the world, a DJ doing live shows, a talented body painter that does super-hero shorts, etc.

Maybe I'm just really good now at the mental filtering of Internet, but it wasn't hard for me to find the interesting content.

That said, I can understand that it could over time degenerate, and Twitch will need to keep up quality. I think for Twitch, quality is more important then quantity. So I'm okay with some hand curation from them.

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