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iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’

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Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’

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Post by tinus_hn »

rallycarre wrote: post #40
minimaxir wrote: post #30

Please stop saying that Apple is secretly recording your conversations for nefarious purposes with Hey Siri. It’s been around for 2 years and there has been nothing world-ending found about the feature. A reminder about how Hey Siri privacy works: https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/11/apple-addresses-privacy-qu... > In no case is the device recording what the user says or sending that information to Apple before the feat…

It won't be listening to you if they don't care to. The idea of having a device that listens to everything around in your home is unnerving, for me atleast. The problem with saying "they would never do something like this" or "I have nothing to hide so why do I care" is that your trusting people thousands of miles away from you who are heavily influenced by the government... If your not comfortable having a policeman…

That’s fine, I don’t like services like ‘hey Siri’ either so I turn them off. Or rather, in the case of ‘hey Siri’, I don’t turn it on.

There is no conspiracy. If you don’t want your phone or other device to listen continuously, do not turn on a service that requires it to do that.

Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’

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Post by [deleted] »

mtgx wrote: post #42
danpalmer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it will be probably only be used initially for iOS emulator for developers This is quite a large technical undertaking, with a very small pay-off given the tiny percentage of users who develop on their Mac for iOS devices. I can't see this being something that happens until x86 CPUs have been removed entirely.

At the rate Apple is increasing its iPhone SKUs every year, it won't be long until all iOS app companies will need to purchase like 20 different-generation iPhones. I think they'll need the emulator eventually.

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Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’

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Post by coldtea »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #67
coldtea wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A converged ARM-based Macbook sounds very much like a toy computer; a facebook+youtube media consumption station with an option for perhaps doing limited creative work such as composing an iMovie or touching up some photos at the most. What you describe as a "toy computer" is actually an indestructible and hella-great main business computer for a huge majority of people. Most people aren't designers or videographer…

A chromebook has windows and a file browser and a terminal. It doesn't fit that "toy computer" description at all.

A macOS-iOS hubrid doesn't exist yet, so we don't know about what it will have.

That said, iOs has a file browser itself now (and of course it had windows from the start, if by "windows" you mean the ability to show UI apps. If you mean "overlapping windows", it has side-tiled ones, that are even better than overlapping). As for terminal, there are several for iOS as well.

Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’

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Post by Dylan16807 »

coldtea wrote: post #73
Dylan16807 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A chromebook has windows and a file browser and a terminal. It doesn't fit that "toy computer" description at all.

A macOS-iOS hubrid doesn't exist yet, so we don't know about what it will have. That said, iOs has a file browser itself now (and of course it had windows from the start, if by "windows" you mean the ability to show UI apps. If you mean "overlapping windows", it has side-tiled ones, that are even better than overlapping). As for terminal, there are several for iOS as well.

> That said, iOS has a file browser itself now

Oh right, they did just add a file browser. Does that make it easy to access files from multiple apps? ...actually, upon looking into it more, it only shows files saved in a very specific way from apps with explicit support. It's 90% an icloud app, not a local file system app. That's not good enough.

> (and of course it had windows from the start, if by "windows" you mean the ability to show UI apps. If you mean "overlapping windows", it has side-tiled ones, that are even better than overlapping).

I mean multiple apps on screen, which is probably good enough in iOS at the moment.

> As for terminal, there are several for iOS as well.

Local terminals? The issue is not ssh clients, it's getting a shell open. The best I can find is https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/284556/can-i-run-a... with an answer of "none exist". And there's definitely not one with access to your files.

Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’

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Post by mcphage »

Feniks wrote: post #53
minimaxir wrote: post #30

Please stop saying that Apple is secretly recording your conversations for nefarious purposes with Hey Siri. It’s been around for 2 years and there has been nothing world-ending found about the feature. A reminder about how Hey Siri privacy works: https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/11/apple-addresses-privacy-qu... > In no case is the device recording what the user says or sending that information to Apple before the feat…

Well I'm not an idiot. Things like Siri do not exist to help me or improve my life like the marketing and Apple fans proclaim. It exists to sell me shit and make people money. Not nefarious, I accept capitalism. But at least let me turn it off.

> It exists to sell me shit and make people money.

How does Apple use Siri to sell you shit?

Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’

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Post by willstrafach »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #9
013a wrote: post #6

This is huge. While it starts with just powering things like boot security and Hey Siri, I guarantee you this is the first step toward Apple getting rid of Intel on the Mac. How much longer before they release MB/MBPs with the same chip, doing the same thing? How much longer after that before we see SDKs released for writings apps that run on Mac, but are completely executed within the ARM processor? I think this is…

Here is what I think will occur : New Macbook Pro (not a refresh) will probably have this chip in but it will be probably only be used initially for iOS emulator for developers. The next release of macOS will probably have iOS apps that you can run on a mac. Then they will replace the Macbook Air line in to a Macbook Arm as a new product launch at the beginning of 2019.

> New Macbook Pro (not a refresh) will probably have this chip

No need to speculate. Check out the TouchBar MacBooks.

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Post by photojosh »

runeks wrote: post #68
GeekyBear wrote: post #43

Steven Sinofsky had an interesting tweetstorm throwing a bit of cold water on the notion that this was a sign that Macs were moving to ARM. https://twitter.com/stevesi/status/932116692620079104

> 12/ Or do you allow cross-compilation? Then the access to underlying system undermines "iOS" walled approach. Only "certified apps" isn't so interesting to most people. I don't get this point. How does ARM translate to "walled garden"? I see no reason to tie ARM and the walled garden-approach together, just because that's the way it is on mobile. Non-certified apps would work just fine on OSX if the developers buil…

> Does anyone know how much space the four inefficient cores on the A11 take up?

Have a look at the die photo at [0]. Not much.

[0]: http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/app...

Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’

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Post by Feniks »

ggreer wrote: post #60
Feniks wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I'm not an idiot. Things like Siri do not exist to help me or improve my life like the marketing and Apple fans proclaim. It exists to sell me shit and make people money. Not nefarious, I accept capitalism. But at least let me turn it off.

You can turn it off by going to Settings -> Siri & Search -> Listen for "Hey Siri". It's not silently enabled by default. You choose on or off when setting up the device.

Yeah I'm sure it will be just as easy as it was on win10 ;)

Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’

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Post by ggreer »

Feniks wrote: post #78
ggreer wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can turn it off by going to Settings -> Siri & Search -> Listen for "Hey Siri". It's not silently enabled by default. You choose on or off when setting up the device.

Yeah I'm sure it will be just as easy as it was on win10 ;)

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Neither "Hey Siri" nor Siri itself is enabled by default. It takes 3 seconds to disable if you ever change your mind. To imply otherwise is either ignorant or disingenuous.

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Post by kunimu »

internet2000 wrote: post #22
userbinator wrote: post #8

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I guarantee you this is the first step toward Apple getting rid of Intel on the Mac. ...and making Macs even more closed and proprietary, moving away from the (semi-open, but also quickly closing[1]) PC again. This is huge, and scary . [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15730113

Apple never bothered with EFI secure boot, and even go out of their way to do BIOS emulation for other OSs. Apple knows that on desktop computers, the genie is out of the bottle. They wouldn't block booting other OSs, just like they they still give options to disable Gatekeeper and SIP despite the FUD.

Isn't the only reason why they wouldn't block booting "other OSs" was because you can use their Boot Camp utility to dual boot Windows? Then someone figured out that the machine didn't care what you ran once you selected the Windows option, so they started doing things like running Ubuntu on there. Most operating systems know the genies is out of the bottle more than Apple apparently, as they let you not only customise your partition schema at install time, but you can use standard utilities to change it whenever you want.

I may be misrecollecting, but Apple doesn't let you resize the Windows partition unless you do it manually from Windows/Linux, or you use the Boot Camp assistant again. The utility is deliberately built so that you can't resize the partition without erasing it. Things may have changed, though.

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