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Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by nachtigall »

suprfnk wrote: post #32
imple wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://i.imgur.com/hWl9YR8.png A screenshot from my screen just now, running FF58 and Chrome side by side. Firefox's menu bar is smaller.

This is a bit misleading. When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Though I still wonder why Chrome's menu bar enlarges when the window is not maximized. Edit: A screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png

As sibling said: Change the tab 'density' in Firefox from 'normal' to 'compact' under Customize > Density (at bottom).

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by rufugee »

What's the security story these days re: Firefox v. Chrome? I switched to Chrome a few years ago (for the most part) because, at the time, Chrome was considered more secure. Has this changed?

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

suprfnk wrote: post #32
imple wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://i.imgur.com/hWl9YR8.png A screenshot from my screen just now, running FF58 and Chrome side by side. Firefox's menu bar is smaller.

This is a bit misleading. When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Though I still wonder why Chrome's menu bar enlarges when the window is not maximized. Edit: A screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png

> When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox.

Firefox does the same thing. You can also choose whether you want "drag space" or not on non-maximized windows, or even an old-fashioned title bar. It's all in the customize option (where you can also switch to the compact theme).

FF takes up less UI space than Chrome, when the compact theme is used.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by suprfnk »

semperdark wrote: post #68
suprfnk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit misleading. When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Though I still wonder why Chrome's menu bar enlarges when the window is not maximized. Edit: A screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png

You're not on the most compact density though. That circle around the back button only appears on the "Normal" and "Touch" densities. Right click the menu bar, hit "Customize", and you can change the density to "Compact" under the density dropdown at the bottom.

Hey, I didn't know about that. That's great actually! Thanks.

Though this doesn't help with the 'feeling' for new users, as the normal setting is a default.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by jraph »

tkp wrote: post #65
jraph wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wondered the same thing a while ago and I would think this is to ease dragging the window with the mouse, which you may want to do easily when the window is not maximized. I'd really like Firefox on Linux to hide the window title bar (at least when maximized) and put the close / maximize / reduce buttons in the tab bar (or make it an option). The tab bar does already allow one to move the window, at least on KDE. T…

On debian with gnome, installing "maximus" package should hide title bar when maximized, works well here !

Thanks for the tip. I didn't know maximus. Actually, kwin does allow writing rules that do exactly that. However, this removes window management buttons, which I don't use often but do like to have. Extensions did that but are not compatible anymore ans never really had an integrated look. I recognize this is mostly feelings though

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by nicoburns »

mwill wrote: post #64

I'm not looking forward to this, I realize they've made speed improvements, but the entire reason I'm on FF at all is Tab Groups, which seems to be dead. I know it's not heavily used, but it's going to be painful for me to get used to browsing without it. I'm aware that there's a proposal to add an API to make it possible under the new system, but last time I checked the ticket, recent activity was someone from the t…

I feel your pain on the tab groups extension. I find that extension really helpful too. I'm pretty optimistic that this will be a temporary pain though. My reading of that issue (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1384515) is that there are a lot of people interested in working on it, and they even have working code.

It does seem that a relatively senior Mozilla employee who has joined the discussion late is against the idea. But others have already chimed in with why their objections don't apply to this new approach.

I'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't fixed by FF59.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by suprfnk »

smichel17 wrote: post #61
suprfnk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit misleading. When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Though I still wonder why Chrome's menu bar enlarges when the window is not maximized. Edit: A screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png

Amusingly, it seems neither you nor the grandparent comment have the interface set to `compact`.

True. I didn't know that that setting exists. That could be part of the problem, ofcourse.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by masklinn »

simion314 wrote: post #9

I still use the Firefox ESR for the dev tools, the new dev tools are missing things like the network response preview, the debugger is not working right for me, and the Chrome look does not appeal to me, I prefer the old dev tools. Other then this as a user I like the fact the Firefox is moving again and in a right direction most of the time. I hope they respect the user privacy more and the new privacy invading feat…

> the new dev tools are missing things like the network response preview

Do you mean the content of the response or something else? Because I'm on FDE and they're definitely there ("Response" tab when selecting a network entry)

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by masklinn »

marksellers wrote: post #6

Maybe these are silly things to complain about with fellow techies, but the things that prevent me from switching to Firefox: The menu bars are enormous even on a compact theme. Bigger than on Chrome. I only have so much vertical space to spare. When opening a new window, the address bar isn't the first thing to receive focus, unlike on Chrome. With Chrome, I just bang out WINKEY + C + H + R + ENTER + part of query +…

> The menu bars are enormous even on a compact theme. Bigger than on Chrome. I only have so much vertical space to spare.

This is what I get on OSX, latest Chrome v FDE Compact: https://i.imgur.com/TA62OAN.png

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by thinkingemote »

jraph wrote: post #48
suprfnk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit misleading. When you maximize Chrome's window the space above the tabs disappears, making Chrome's footprint smaller than that of Firefox. Though I still wonder why Chrome's menu bar enlarges when the window is not maximized. Edit: A screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/yabXSEz.png

I wondered the same thing a while ago and I would think this is to ease dragging the window with the mouse, which you may want to do easily when the window is not maximized. I'd really like Firefox on Linux to hide the window title bar (at least when maximized) and put the close / maximize / reduce buttons in the tab bar (or make it an option). The tab bar does already allow one to move the window, at least on KDE. T…

There is a Firefox legacy extension that does just this. Hide Caption Bar Plus. It might not work with this new Firefox as he APIs to control the UI are not exposed as they once were. I use it all the time on my laptops
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