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Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by jvzr »

hvidgaard wrote: post #47
uptown wrote: post #15

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It's innovation -- but it's also at the expense of taking away a feature I regularly use. I frequently unlock a phone that's flat on a desk that's at an arm's length. Now, to unlock, I suspect I'll need to lift and point that device towards my face in order to authenticate. Since I haven't tried the iPhone X yet, I'm not sure how liberal they are with the angle required to capture your face, but it seems unlikely thi…

> It's innovation Microsoft SP4 have had that for 2 years (unlocking with 3D scanning of the face), so I'd not call it innovation. But regardless, a sensor on the back would be better IMO.

…which would not help in that gentleman's case. How good is a fingerprint scanner in the back of a phone when it's lying flat on a desk and the user doesn't want to lift up the phone?

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by jvzr »

Sidnicious wrote: post #32
finchisko wrote: post #16

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I'm asking same question. How is faceid innovation over touchid? But to answer your question. With touchid you can unlock your phone immediately you bring it out of pocket. I don't see any additional value over touchid. For me it's actually inferior, because I have to grab the phone even for simple tasks, like reading new message. So why should I accept this? Because of larger screen, which is not even bezel to bezel…

It was raining a bit yesterday and that made the fingerprint sensor on my phone basically useless. I forgot how much it was used (unlock, banking apps, payments).

I'm reminded how finicky it is every time I step out of the shower. Even a bit of humidity seems to ruin the accuracy. Can't wait to try FaceID

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by Yetanfou »

PacketPaul wrote: post #58
whatusername wrote: post #34

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Camera for photos of the kids is certainly my self-justification. My SLR takes better photos - but all the best photos of my kids are on my phone - because it’s what I have in my pocket.

This. 20 years from now you will be happy you have the best possible pictures of the kids.

20 years from now you will be happy with the best possible pictures of the kids, true. Where 'best' is defined as 'pictures showing the children as they were, doing what they were doing where and with whom they were doing it with'. Whether those pictures were taken with, say, a Motorola Defy (5 MP sensor, takes good pictures as long as there is enough light but gets noisy in low-light situations) or a Samsung Galaxy S8 or Google Pixel (which take good pictures in most situations) is of less importance unless you are in the habit of taking pictures of your children in near-darkness.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by uptown »

curiousgal wrote: post #43
uptown wrote: post #15

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It's innovation -- but it's also at the expense of taking away a feature I regularly use. I frequently unlock a phone that's flat on a desk that's at an arm's length. Now, to unlock, I suspect I'll need to lift and point that device towards my face in order to authenticate. Since I haven't tried the iPhone X yet, I'm not sure how liberal they are with the angle required to capture your face, but it seems unlikely thi…

Not to be blunt but why get the phone if it’s going to make your life miserable in a sense?

Miserable? I don't think that's likely to happen. It's only a phone. I'm speaking about convenience.

I'm not certain I'm getting the phone. But if I do, it'll be for the camera. It's my number one use case of my phone, and it seems like it's got a great camera. I know there are good alternatives from Android, but I'm largely married to the Apple ecosystem.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by gehsty »

dogma1138 wrote: post #40
gehsty wrote: post #25

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Why is TouchID superior to FaceID? I just want to understand why you think FaceID is a failure? If FaceID lives up to Apples claims it will have less friction and higher security, so win win, and I'm sure Apple are aware of how popular TouchID is, I don't see them replacing it with a dud.

Because it can be unlocked in your pocket for SOS use cases. Because it can be unlocked under the table or at a very low angle to be used in places such as a restaurant, meeting room, theater etc. Because one can use TouchID for Apple Pay much quicker and more reliably in a crowded/rushed situation such as paying for public transport. Becuase TouchID actually allows multiple users on the same device if if that is not…

There are edge use cases, I think 99% of the time your interaction will have less friction and more security.

For the edge cases generally a pass code will work (under the table / multiple users). I'm not sure what you do with your phone unlocked in your pocket...

TouchID being quicker is your opinion, and as neither of us (I assume) have used it, we'll see if it is quicker.

I just think there were lots of negativity about TouchID when it was announced, and look how successful that is, would Apple risk that success? I don't think so...

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by isthisnagee »

bussierem wrote: post #70
isthisnagee wrote: post #26

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You make a good point, but to counter, can modern touchscreen phones be used without looking at them? Volume buttons and power off / on can be used without looking, but you can also use those without unlocking your phone.

I don't speak for others, but yes I can navigate from locked phone to messages and type a full message to my wife without looking at the screen, thanks to qwerty knowledge and GBoard's "swipe" typing.

How do you deal with your phone being in different states before unlocking?

For example, if you have an app open in a folder, you'll have to press the home button 3 times: once to exit the app, another to exit the folder, and a third to go home (unless the messages app is on the dock, then you can press twice to reach it).

I'd be worried about messaging the wrong person, and I also have fat fingers so that's no help :(

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by zimpenfish »

mercurysmessage wrote: post #67
coldtea wrote: post #55

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> Maybe he doesn't buy a $800 Android ? And doesn't buy every new release ? There are new $200+ Android phones. If you have the money, and use your phone a lot, then why not buy a a $800 phone (Android or iOS) with every new release? Except if not having enough money or being tight with money even if one has plenty of them, puts one in the "enlightened" category -- or is that only when it comes to mobile phone purcha…

> why not buy a a $800 phone (Android or iOS) with every new release? I think this is a terrible mindset, personally. There is so much waste, these are perfectly good phones but everyone is convinced to do a 2 year contract lifecycle.

Do you imagine that people who buy a new phone every year smash the old one once they've restored their backup? Or do is it more likely that they pass them on to others via sales or gifting? In which case those perfectly good phones are still perfectly good phones...

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by dogma1138 »

gehsty wrote: post #75
dogma1138 wrote: post #40

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Because it can be unlocked in your pocket for SOS use cases. Because it can be unlocked under the table or at a very low angle to be used in places such as a restaurant, meeting room, theater etc. Because one can use TouchID for Apple Pay much quicker and more reliably in a crowded/rushed situation such as paying for public transport. Becuase TouchID actually allows multiple users on the same device if if that is not…

There are edge use cases, I think 99% of the time your interaction will have less friction and more security. For the edge cases generally a pass code will work (under the table / multiple users). I'm not sure what you do with your phone unlocked in your pocket... TouchID being quicker is your opinion, and as neither of us (I assume) have used it, we'll see if it is quicker. I just think there were lots of negativity…

Edge cases are the most important ones to consider when talking about usability since all other cases are irrelevant.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by mercurysmessage »

zimpenfish wrote: post #77
mercurysmessage wrote: post #67

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> why not buy a a $800 phone (Android or iOS) with every new release? I think this is a terrible mindset, personally. There is so much waste, these are perfectly good phones but everyone is convinced to do a 2 year contract lifecycle.

Do you imagine that people who buy a new phone every year smash the old one once they've restored their backup? Or do is it more likely that they pass them on to others via sales or gifting? In which case those perfectly good phones are still perfectly good phones...

And then what happens to the phones those people had? We don't do this with laptops, desktops, or monitors. What makes phones so special?

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by mercurysmessage »

pwdisswordfish wrote: post #69
bane wrote: post #11

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Unlocking your phone with your face has been a regular feature of many smartphones for at least 5 years.

No wonder Android people do not understand why people pay good money for very locked down iPhone, to them crappy implementation for hardware and software is good enough.

It appears you haven't touched a decent android phone before. I think you probably should before making these kind of comments.
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