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Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by simonsarris »

quicklime wrote: post #67
simonsarris wrote: post #47

Serious questions for people that drink this stuff: My breakfast is often Siggi's 4% skyr (thick yogurt): http://siggisdairy.com/product/plain-whole-milk-24oz/ Plus Organic valley heavy cream: https://www.organicvalley.coop/products/cream/ Ususally about 300g + 100g, then sometimes some granola (oats, almonds, sometimes honey), for body. Soylent is: * 37g carb * 21g fats * 20g protein What I'm eating is much healthie…

There's more to good nutrition than just the ratios of carbs/fats/protein - you also have to think about getting the right amounts of each micronutrient. Once you do, it becomes a lot harder to get a good balance than just mixing 2 or 3 ingredients.

This is because Soylent is making up for deficiencies in its ingredients. They need to add Vitamin D, calcium, and vitamin a palmitate, for instance, because there is no Vitamin A or D or calcium in the canola oil and sunflower oil. These nutrients are already abundantly present in Skyr and cream.

I wonder if the bioavailability is even good in Soylent. I know some of these nutrients are much more bioavailable in animal sources than plant sources (though I can't recall which), so the vegan-friendly label on Soylent is a mark against it, if health is your goal.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by munro »

simonsarris wrote: post #47

Serious questions for people that drink this stuff: My breakfast is often Siggi's 4% skyr (thick yogurt): http://siggisdairy.com/product/plain-whole-milk-24oz/ Plus Organic valley heavy cream: https://www.organicvalley.coop/products/cream/ Ususally about 300g + 100g, then sometimes some granola (oats, almonds, sometimes honey), for body. Soylent is: * 37g carb * 21g fats * 20g protein What I'm eating is much healthie…

If you're truly interested in objectively comparing your breakfast's nutritional profile, you can punch in your recipe on http://completefoods.co/. And if you disagree with the nutritional profile, you can customize that too. Please share it!

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by tree_of_item »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #68
cal5k wrote: post #19

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Well here's an example - I'm having jaw surgery tomorrow and will be on a liquid diet for a week. I stocked my fridge up with Soylent so that I'd have something decent-tasting and relatively nutritious to drink while I'm feeling like garbage. I also will make shakes, but sometimes soylent is just easier.

Why not buy a commercially made meal replacement product that has been on the market for decades and is endorsed by nursing and medical professions and is used in hospitals? Its not like no one had ever done meal-replacement foods before Soylent came along. Its not new, its not cheaper, its not as well regulated, its not as flavorful. Seriously, why would you buy Soylent (which has had numerous beta 'failures') over…

Ensure in particular is a bad example. I'm sure it is used in lots of hospitals but it shouldn't be: https://storiesbycarrol.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/food-or-vil...

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

simonsarris wrote: post #66
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #63

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That's the best counterargument you have? "Scary" chemical names? I mean, ... really? I quite assure you that if I listed all of the compounds of "Pasteurized Whole Milk, Pasteurized Cream, Live Active Cultures, Cream" using standard chemistry nomenclature, the list would look far more intimidating to the average layperson.

My argument isn't scary chemical names. It's that you face a bad omega 3:6 ratio. I already said that in the first comment.

> My argument isn't scary chemical names.

Isn't it? You're the one bandying about phrases like "...strange synthetic meal..." and touting the ingredient lists of one meal over another.

As for bad omega 3:6 ratio, that's easily solved by eating something else that contains omega-3. Nobody says that Soylent is the only thing a person is permitted to eat.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by quicklime »

simonsarris wrote: post #71
quicklime wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more to good nutrition than just the ratios of carbs/fats/protein - you also have to think about getting the right amounts of each micronutrient. Once you do, it becomes a lot harder to get a good balance than just mixing 2 or 3 ingredients.

This is because Soylent is making up for deficiencies in its ingredients. They need to add Vitamin D, calcium, and vitamin a palmitate, for instance, because there is no Vitamin A or D or calcium in the canola oil and sunflower oil. These nutrients are already abundantly present in Skyr and cream. I wonder if the bioavailability is even good in Soylent. I know some of these nutrients are much more bioavailable in ani…

Just looking through the nutrition info in the links you gave, there's zero iron and vitamin C in Skyr and cream. Yes you can get those nutrients from other sources, but it's a lot harder than just mixing two ingredients into a drink.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by scott_karana »

narrator wrote: post #28
mful wrote: post #10

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The 30% cap on calories from fat is pretty ridiculous in my view. Even if you don't buy into the idea that fat is healthful, there is plenty of science that indicates it is, and so at least CIFA should not regulate fat content in this way. Sidenote: I don't drink Soylent and have no idea if it fails the fat content. I'm in the "Soylent is not healthful" camp, if it matters.

I don't drink Soylent either or think it's that great of a product, but the 30% fat cap is totally ridiculous. It's basically outlawing the ketogenic diet.

It's only outlawing keto diets marketed as general purpose meal replacements.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by garyrichardson »

Field Roast Vegan Sausages (https://fieldroast.com/product-family/sausages/) were temporarily banned a couple of years ago (http://fieldroast.com/blog/field-roast-coming-back-canada/).

I'm a vegetarian, not vegan, but I was pretty angry when they disappeared from our shelves. There was also some scuttlebutt that Field Roast was reported to the CFIA by a competitor.

As a left leaning Canadian. But don't tell me what to eat. On the other hand, please keep poisonous or otherwise dangerous foods off of our grocery store shelves. It's a fine line to walk.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by zzalpha »

smnrchrds wrote: post #50
api_or_ipa wrote: post #34

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That's probably what they'll do. "Not a meal replacement but sold in convenient 2000kcal pouches... wink wink".

I don't know about CFIA, but CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) can and does punish violations of the spirit of the law. That is, if a company finds a loophole that allows them to avoid taxes without violating the letter of the law, CRA is legally allowed to prosecute them anyway for violating the spirit of the law. It is not unlikely that such common sense discretions are given to CFIA as well.

This is almost certainly about false claims/marketing based on usage of regulated industry terms. Simply removing the offending labeling would bring them into compliance.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by [deleted] »

ajeet_dhaliwal wrote: post #55
pmarreck wrote: post #8

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These regulations are outdated. The push against fat calories and towards carbohydrates was largely motivated by the sugar industry, see: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oLtQLDptI1g In addition to this, fat calories are more “filling” than carbohydrate calories. Something useful for a meal replacement (assuming unsaturated/“healthy” fats) I hope Soylent sticks to their guns with the best knowledge available, and I hope…

I used to live in Canada, now back in UK. Canadians won’t push for reforms. They’ll accept it. Incredibly docile population. Also they have more pressing issues, online purchases from outside Canada are charged duty if the purchase is over CDN $20. In the US the duties apply only after USD $800. See: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/duty-free-limit-america-1.34... There are countless other ‘controls’ of this sort in p…

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Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by rblatz »

tree_of_item wrote: post #73
legostormtroopr wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not buy a commercially made meal replacement product that has been on the market for decades and is endorsed by nursing and medical professions and is used in hospitals? Its not like no one had ever done meal-replacement foods before Soylent came along. Its not new, its not cheaper, its not as well regulated, its not as flavorful. Seriously, why would you buy Soylent (which has had numerous beta 'failures') over…

Ensure in particular is a bad example. I'm sure it is used in lots of hospitals but it shouldn't be: https://storiesbycarrol.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/food-or-vil...

Everyone is all about trusting science and medical professionals right up until it comes to dietitians... Then suddenly random bloggers and cherry picked studies come flying out of the wood work, much like the anti-vaccine crowd.

And I say this with the belief that Americans eat too many carbs, and a higher fat/lower carb diet would be better for people. I just don’t understand this disconnect.

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