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Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Post by cocktailpeanuts »

kbenson wrote: post #51
tengbretson wrote: post #45

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These comparisons are incredibly dishonest.

I don't think so, and depending on your familiarity with the topic , your opinion might be different too. Creating a web application framework that handles your needs can be incredibly easy. I can, and have multiple time, done so in Perl for a quick project in the distant past. It takes about 20-30 lines or so on top of loading the modules you would probably already want available for a system like that. Pull in HTTP…

Come back after you've built a database system used by tons of users and a car that someone is actually driving.

No one will take your argument seriously when you say ignorant stuff like "Creating a database is also very easy", or "Creating a car is also fairly easy".

No matter how you spin it, it is FAR from easy to build any of those, and the only people who think it's easy are those who don't have real experience.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#72

Post by KGIII »

aacook wrote: post #58
andygcook wrote: post #42

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This comment actually made me laugh out loud. We didn’t put much thought into the pricing plan names to be honest. Will pitch this to my brother, who I built this out with over the last couple months.

Haha, yes. They were placeholders that ended up going live. Premier is named after our Grandpa, who calls things he loves "Premier". His friend he was in the Boy Scouts in during the 1940s is the Grandfather of Andy's best friend. Anytime my Grandpa talks about Andy's friend's family he calls them the "Premier Family of Weymouth" :) We'll probably keep the Premier plan but need to rename the others.

Bampa and Bumpa are sometimes used for grandfather. Meemaw and Mimmie for grandmother.

I noticed your changing text of names. If you do international, the choices are huge.

My kids haven't seemed to figure out how to make babies. I've even tried bribery, to no avail. So, I'll send your link to all my old people friends. They can then send the link to their children and guilt them into using your service.

Maybe a HN launch would be good? Pardon me, if I missed it and you've already done it. Still, I'll forward it to the appropriate old folks for you. Good luck! It looks like a brilliant idea and the name is fantastic!

Edit: Also, the price for 100 is really, really low. I don't know about the math, but that's impressive. If you're able to profit at that amount, great. However, I expect a much higher price for that number and, if actually wanted, would pay more - assuming the pics are on good quality stock and well done.

I could also see some value added services. Touch ups, fancy text, maybe frames at holiday season, border themes, things like that.

For fancy text you may need to license fonts, by the way.

Edit again: A second opinion says your top two package prices are too low and she says the price 'makes her suspicious.' I asked why and she says it makes her think they are of poor quality.

I asked her about pricing she said, "The first one is $0.79, so $0.69, $0.59, $0.49. Something like that."

That's official Old Lady pricing suggestions. In other words, your highest package would be closer to $49.99 per month. I kind of agree with her - it would be more valuable than the price listed, of only I had a use.

She also suggested marketing it to the grandparents. Here is her quote, "Just market it to the grandparents. They will pay to have their kids send them pictures. It would be even better if they could choose a big package and let all their children send in pictures using the same account."

That's close to verbatim. The grandparents would have an account and their multiple kids could all send in pictures to the same account.

Err... She also suggests $X.XX/picture after X-amount of pictures. LOL It probably would have saved time to just give her the keyboard. She's very optimistic about your service.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Post by andygcook »

chuckdries wrote: post #69
andygcook wrote: post #8

I've been using the Bootstrap 4 beta for a couple weeks building a side project ( https://nanagram.co ) and I must say, it's been great to use. The built in utilities for responsive views and spacing are especially useful. Made optimizing the homepage for multiple screen sizes super fast and not painful at all. The Beta 1 had pretty good documentation and seemed pretty mature as well. Looking forward to upgrading to…

Compress your images or something. I'm on gigabit and the page is still taking forever to load.

Thanks for the heads up. Thought we did compress them, but I missed admittedly huge 1.8MB photo. Should be faster now.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Post by andygcook »

th0br0 wrote: post #44
andygcook wrote: post #21

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That's a good point too and something we hadn't considered. Would it work if the package was just delivered in the mail as usual and they could open it when they got home as something to look forward to?

That assumes that old people live at home / have a regular mail box. What if they live in a nursing home or similar? Although 4x6 (10x15cm) is postcard format, so usual mailboxes should fit quite a number of those just fine.

The photos come in a pretty much regular sized envelope that fits in small mailboxes. I do like the idea of letting people pause a delay a delivery for whatever reason they want, or maybe even redirect it at the last minute if needed. Appreciate the feedback and ideas.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Post by DougWebb »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #71
kbenson wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so, and depending on your familiarity with the topic , your opinion might be different too. Creating a web application framework that handles your needs can be incredibly easy. I can, and have multiple time, done so in Perl for a quick project in the distant past. It takes about 20-30 lines or so on top of loading the modules you would probably already want available for a system like that. Pull in HTTP…

Come back after you've built a database system used by tons of users and a car that someone is actually driving. No one will take your argument seriously when you say ignorant stuff like "Creating a database is also very easy", or "Creating a car is also fairly easy". No matter how you spin it, it is FAR from easy to build any of those, and the only people who think it's easy are those who don't have real experience.

It's much easier to build something that's suitable for your one specific use case than it is to build a general-purpose framework. Database systems, cars, and Bootstrap are all general-purpose. But if you need to store a collection of name/value pairs, carry a load from fixed-point-A to fixed-point-B, or create a web-page with a specific and custom style, building something from scratch can be the right way to go, and it can be easier than forcing a general-purpose solution to fit what you need.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Post by always_good »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #71
kbenson wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so, and depending on your familiarity with the topic , your opinion might be different too. Creating a web application framework that handles your needs can be incredibly easy. I can, and have multiple time, done so in Perl for a quick project in the distant past. It takes about 20-30 lines or so on top of loading the modules you would probably already want available for a system like that. Pull in HTTP…

Come back after you've built a database system used by tons of users and a car that someone is actually driving. No one will take your argument seriously when you say ignorant stuff like "Creating a database is also very easy", or "Creating a car is also fairly easy". No matter how you spin it, it is FAR from easy to build any of those, and the only people who think it's easy are those who don't have real experience.

But we're not talking about something with tons of users.

We're talking about a bespoke just-for-my-project sort of thing. That you think it's not even worth it unless you can get tons of users is part of the point. It's just a distraction just like your bespoke CSS framework.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Post by DougWebb »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #28
gshulegaard wrote: post #24

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Just wanted to point out that when Bootstrap first hit the scene this wasn't true: > to add to that, the biggest problem that bootstrap solves IMO is a standard grid system, of which there are now many, more composable grid systems to choose from. Grid systems are so basic that its probably fine to pull one from the shelf, but with flexbox its really not that hard to write your own anyway. Bootstrap was sort of a pio…

Not really since most browser have their opinion on how to actually flex the box in corner cases (like: an image that has height 100% and not a defined width will cause all kind of fun in a row flexy)

I just had to fix that in a project today. Looked great in Firefox, but Chrome made the images huge and every time the page changed they just got bigger. Seemed completely broken to me.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Post by kbenson »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #68
kbenson wrote: post #26

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Really it's very easy to build your own web application framework these days, existing web application frameworks look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows. Really it's very easy to build your own database software these days, database servers look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows. Reall…

> Really it's very easy to build your own database software these days > Really it's very easy to build your own car these days Wow really? Hold my beer while I go build some car and a database! You learn something new every day!

Maybe you should read the last sentence again. I think perhaps you missed something.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#79

Post by aacook »

KGIII wrote: post #72
aacook wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha, yes. They were placeholders that ended up going live. Premier is named after our Grandpa, who calls things he loves "Premier". His friend he was in the Boy Scouts in during the 1940s is the Grandfather of Andy's best friend. Anytime my Grandpa talks about Andy's friend's family he calls them the "Premier Family of Weymouth" :) We'll probably keep the Premier plan but need to rename the others.

Bampa and Bumpa are sometimes used for grandfather. Meemaw and Mimmie for grandmother. I noticed your changing text of names. If you do international, the choices are huge. My kids haven't seemed to figure out how to make babies. I've even tried bribery, to no avail. So, I'll send your link to all my old people friends. They can then send the link to their children and guilt them into using your service. Maybe a HN l…

Awesome feedback, thanks.

HN launch could be fun. We haven't done that yet. Andy left this comment a couple hours ago on a whim and all of the sudden we're getting tons of crazy feedback! Right now we're just focused on trying to make the service solid for a handful of people.

The feedback on pricing is helpful. I'd actually like to get the prices down to half of where they're at now. 6-month stretch goal :)

Hadn't thought about the font customization over the images. Great idea.

Thanks for sharing with your old folk friends. Best of luck with the creation of Grandchildren. I'm rooting for you.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Post by kbenson »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #71
kbenson wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so, and depending on your familiarity with the topic , your opinion might be different too. Creating a web application framework that handles your needs can be incredibly easy. I can, and have multiple time, done so in Perl for a quick project in the distant past. It takes about 20-30 lines or so on top of loading the modules you would probably already want available for a system like that. Pull in HTTP…

Come back after you've built a database system used by tons of users and a car that someone is actually driving. No one will take your argument seriously when you say ignorant stuff like "Creating a database is also very easy", or "Creating a car is also fairly easy". No matter how you spin it, it is FAR from easy to build any of those, and the only people who think it's easy are those who don't have real experience.

> No one will take your argument seriously when you say ignorant stuff like "Creating a database is also very easy", or "Creating a car is also fairly easy".

Holy shit, did nobody read the last sentence of the original comment? I'll spell it out. The first three things were meant to be similar statements to the comment I was replying to, and the final sentence was explaining how they, plus the version in the comment I was replying to, were bullshit.

I then went into excruciating detail in the next comment on why, for each specific case, and capped it with a paragraph summarizing my point.

> No matter how you spin it, it is FAR from easy to build any of those, and the only people who think it's easy are those who don't have real experience.

Which is fully in line with exactly what I was saying.

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