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Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by jhasse »

joelthelion wrote: post #40
roenxi wrote: post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

I've been using Gnome on Wayland as my primary desktop on Arch and Fedora for several months if not a year. It's a marked improvement over Gnome/Xorg, and most of the issues have now been resolved. You might need to find new ways to accomplish a few tasks, though. But I can attest it works. Edit: fix desktop/compositor confusion

Did it crash yet? That has been the blocker for me so far, since on wayland GNOME Shell crashes will bring down the whole session.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by [deleted] »

sz4kerto wrote: post #10
roryrjb wrote: post #2

Obviously this is significant because this is the first release with Gnome 3 instead of Unity. I actually liked Unity a lot but also like Gnome 3, what are people's thoughts?

No proper hidpi support. Gnome3 doesn't support fractional scaling, so if you need smtg like 125% scaling, then you're out of luck. (Example: 4k 32" displays need this.)

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by gtirloni »

pgeorgi wrote: post #20
gtirloni wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedora's transition to Wayland was smooth. We work with screen readers here and things just kept working.

screen readers read metadata provided by the UI toolkit, not pixels from the display (which is the issue for screen shots, screen sharing, streaming)

Thank you

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by dijit »

rmu09 wrote: post #50
revelation wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just such a shambles. Great idea number 1: let's put all the functionality into one command line tool, and we'call it ip for ... "internet protocol"? Why is this ip tool managing my ethernet network card? Great idea number 2: for this powerful swiss army knife, only a special syntax will do where we repeat the name of an argument before the argument value. To make sure no one can use it's functionality with l…

This tool is hardly new, I think it was introduced back in the nineties. http://linux-ip.net/gl/ip-cref/ says April 14, 1999.

I think it's not a good thing to mention age as if that matters much.

Would you argue that gpg is old and therefore good software?

I would argue instead that iproute2 was not picked up quickly because it's clunky and hard to reason about. openBSD managed to improve ifconfig enough that a change was not needed. I applaud that to be honest.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by jhasse »

krullie wrote: post #30
vesak wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome 3 seems quite fine, at least how it is in Fedora 27. It's rather pretty by default, and with Wayland, it handles things like multi-monitor DPI better than anything else I've seen. And not only in Linux side, but also versus Windows and Mac OS. I've been a rabid tiling WM user several years before. I'm liking the other benefits enough that I'm willing to let that go. Gnome developers are working on some sort of…

I've taken a real liking to Fedora. It actually made me switch from my custom Arch linux with i3 to almost default setup Fedora with Gnome. Worked flawlessly on my old Dell XPS 13 developers edition and my new one. Sadly after the switch to Wayland my pen tablet doesn't get picked up by most applications I use daily including Chrome, Firefox, VSCode, Kritta, Blender, etc. It's a real shame as Gnome/Wayland handles sw…

> Running Gnome on Xorg also isn't an option, it tends to crash a lot now...

Strange, for me it's the other way around. I'm using Fedora 26 with GNOME on Xorg and no crashes so far.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by oblio »

ausjke wrote: post #68

32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop. The Ubuntu Desktop now uses GNOME instead of Unity. On supported systems, Wayland is now the default display server. The older display server is still available: just choose Ubuntu on Xorg from the cog on the log in screen. GDM has replaced LightDM as the default display manager. The login screen now uses virtual terminal 1 instead of virtual terminal…

> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6.

And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by pizza234 »

bostand wrote: post #61
pizza234 wrote: post #31

A few notes: - this is the first release supporting Surface devices out of the box (due the recent `linux-firmware` package) - people using PPA may have some troubles, since without tweaking, PPAs with obsolete keys are rejected - ack grep is not included (yet?), due to build issues with perl

The surface support sounds interesting. Has anyone here tried that?

I'm a longtime Surface user; you don't really need 17.04 though - all you need on older Ubuntu version is to install a more recent mainline kernel, and install the artful version of the `linux-firmware` package (in such conditions, the installation process will require an external keyboard and the pre-downloaded package).

Arguably, a Surface device can work well as double device:

  - windows as tablet
  - linux for work, with minimalist hardware usage (no hw button, no pen, the SP4/SB have no camera support)
The Linux Surface community is mostly made of script kiddies, so it's very unreliable (there are a variety of reasons for this judgment).

My personal favourite options for this mixed use are:

  - Surface Pro 3: better compatibility, and cheaper
  - Surface Book i5: fantastic tablet
SB laptops above the i5 are expensive, and it's a waste of money for a laptop that is not completely supported (if I have to spend 2000$ on something, I expect sleep to work).

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by josteink »

wildmusings wrote: post #26

Wow, they've abandoned Unity, LightDM, and Mir (for desktop at least) in favor of Gnome, GDM, and Wayland. They must have poured unspeakable man-years of engineering into those projects, and have now abandoned them in favor of what everyone else was doing all along. Does anyone know to what extent these were pure engineering decisions vs. a scaling back of ambitions (and budget?) for the Ubuntu project as a whole?

Canonical mostly did those projects to assist/enable Ubuntu Phone, in ways the wider Gnome/Opendesktop/Wayland community had little interest in supporting.

With Ubuntu Phone officially dead, Canonical literally had nothing to gain by working outside the community, and had no good arguments for why they should keep on doing their own thing in these aspects.

It must have been a tough decision to make, but I'm sure it was the right one. It was widely applauded from the rest of the Linux-community.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by topranks »

jaster wrote: post #15
vmp wrote: post #14

> ifupdown has been deprecated in favor of netplan and is no longer present on new installs [...] > Given that ifupdown is no longer installed by default, its commands will not be present: ifup and ifdown are thus unavailable, replaced by ip link set $device up and ip link set $device down. Sad to see this go; I always use ifup, ifdown and ifconfig. Yes, they're old and clunky tools but in a way they are the staple o…

fyi: you can shorten ""ip link set $device up"" to "ip l s $device up" (same for all ip commands, e.g. "ip address" can be shortened to "ip addr" or simply "ip a")

Yeah but please don't.... or at least don't create documentation or guides with the abbreviations.
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