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'Our minds can be hijacked': tech insiders who fear a smartphone dystopia

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Something that helps a lot is to be ruthless with notifications on a smartphone. I basically have it set to only bother me for calls, SMS, and chat apps. Everything else is turned off. And whenever I get a new phone, it surprising how bad the defaults are. Basically every apps default is to spam notifications.

I consider it a luxury to not need to carry a phone. I only know where my phone currently is because I made the effort to find it.

I have a couple of dollars and can afford lots of luxuries. Yet, it's the things I don't do that seem the most luxurious.

I spent years tethered to my phone. I was on call, at all hours of the day and in pretty much any location. To not be beholden to a cell phone is true luxury.

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I made exactly the same move. I can recommend K9 as the best self-control app. I use it with recommended settings + any social media. I thinking about adding linkedin to the list. Maybe one day Hacker news also :) I now use a basic phone after years using a iphone. You know why? I had some jobs interviews 2 years ago, and I had many problem to answer basic questions. I felt a so powerfull programmer.. But my memory w…

I recommend reading The Shallows, by Nicholas Carr.

I found it to be a pretty well researched look into the way heavy internet use can change our brains.

Although the book was good on its own, I also found its references section helpful as a launching point to discover other interesting books and academic papers on related topics.

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Can we hijack this loop to create or reinforce good habits instead of selling ad space? Can we use the skinner box to dole out intangible rewards for activities with real, long-term benefits like exercising and eating better? This looks like an obvious opportunity to me, so what work is being done in this area?

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Does anyone see an analogy with highly processed, sugary foods? Highly addictive, thought to be miracles of convenience, but ultimately detrimental when consumed in excess, and now we are starting to realise that and demand better. I wonder if society will go through the same rejection phase with attention-seeking media consumption. Or maybe those who grow up with it will be better able to control themselves.

Not too long ago, we had this story, "Social Media is the New Smoking" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14851057. The mathematician Ted Kaczynski said decades ago, "humans with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine."

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Responsive and sensitive to human sentiments AI seems to be the modern Frankenstein monster.

Right now it's about attention grabbing and using machine learning to connect content to consumers in the most addictive way in order to show advertisements on the side. How long will it take until the content itself is artificially generated on demand to fit the mental state of each and every recipient individually? What are the unintended consequences of the ever advancing technology of automatic manipulation?

I think the most frightening part of this excellent article was, "how do we know it has not already happened?"

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Is it not obvious that a search algorithm for maximizing a revenue function, devoid of ethics, eventually becomes a search algorithm for identifying and exploiting human weaknesses?

AI/machine learning is just a way to optimize this function further.

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Does anyone think that Hacker News fits the bill of addictiveness? Or is HN different than Facebook/Reddit/Twitter for some reason?

I've wrestled with this same question, and I'm not quite sure where I stand. Maybe HN is like nicotine gum, still the same chemicals and neural pathways being activated, but a better substitute for a user who can't just quit cold turkey and replace the addiction with a more productive habit.

On the other hand, if I want to be more charitable to HN (or possibly to rationalize my own addiction), I see Hacker News as a kind of social circle , like an English cofeehouse in the 18th century where thoughtful people congregate to discuss what they see as the important issues of the time.

I've completely gotten rid of facebook with the help of News Feed Eradicator, I don't have an Instagram (though I rarely will get caught up recursively stalking people which leads to feelings of envy / contempt / anomie), and I find most of reddit to be utterly banal pop culture TV-for-the-internet.

So, maybe hacker news is an addiction, but the social aspects of being able to connect with all of these brilliant people, that I otherwise wouldn't, and hear their thoughts and experiences is something I find extremely valuable, addiction or not.

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This excellent article fails to mention artificial intelligence. Facebook has recruited one of the world’s top AI teams, led by Yann LeCun. Their work and Google's are the equivalent of tobacco companies engineering cigarettes to ensure that nicotine hits a smoker's brain more quickly. Facebook and other social networks are the cigarette companies of the mind. Cigarettes blackened our lungs with tar, and social media…

Thanks for your part in getting this story published!

If you have not seen it, the BBC series "The Century of the Self" details the pre-history of these tendencies in the creation of the public relations industry by Freud's nephew Edward Bernays [0]. It is truly fascinating and horrific -- all 4 or 5 hours of it!

Social media/big data has also made the consumer a (not fully willing or conscious) _producer_ of mass addiction, through the exploitation of their social graph data. There is a fictive "work contract": give me your data and we'll give you your buzz. This relationship is based on unwaged work. What if this work, the value of it to BigTech, were recognized? It leaves open the possibility of mass refusal. And in some sense how people use social media now is already composed of many types of refusal, some more and some less effective. To state one obvious way -- Facebook is used around the world as a tool for political organizing. The fact that this makes it an even more valuable commodity for repressive governments, starting with the US government, does not stop us from using it and finding it effective, does not stop us from getting together "in real life".

More needs to be said about the social basis of addiction. It's not only ad scientists pushing well-studied biological buttons. It's the trauma of living a society that locks up an insane number of people, puts its children on psychotropic drugs, poisons them with toxic environments and toxic fast food, separates poor children from their mothers, criminalizes their survival, abandons entire communities after natural disasters, bulldozes neighborhoods to make way for hi-rise condos no one can afford, etc. Or the even bigger trauma of living in a world that has the guns & money of this toxic society pointed at them, literally or potentially, every day, forcing migrations and threatening survival of entire populations.

All of these things come into play when we look at why virtual realities are more attractive than real ones, and lead us to have some sympathy for those who use them for networking with others and temporary escape.

If you have not seen it, I recommend reading some of Gabor Mate's work on addiction, for instance "In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts".[1]

[0] https://youtu.be/DnPmg0R1M04

[1] Interview with him: https://www.democracynow.org/2010/2/3/addiction

Re: 'Our minds can be hijacked': tech insiders who fear a smartphone dystopia

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Does anyone think that Hacker News fits the bill of addictiveness? Or is HN different than Facebook/Reddit/Twitter for some reason?

It does! But it is the coffee kind of addictiveness, you know "scientists say it's good for you and you'll live longer, get anti-oxidants and so on" not heroin type "you'll sell everything you have and live on the streets" addictiveness. But at the same time those who are addicted usually say "they don't have a problem" so...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did pancreatic cancer get a reputation for being curable? I was under the impression that it is one of the most fatal cancers.

You are correct, most pancreatic adenocarcinomas are rapidly fatal. He had a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor, which is more treatable with resection and chemotherapy.

I don’t like how this comes up when Jobs is mentioned but I wanted to put a real reference here. Ignoring other factors a stage I patient is looking at 61%.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/pancreatic-cancer/detection-di...

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