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I donated 100 to each
May your code be forever bugfree.
Interesting blessing . Bugs may be reason someone is employed as the code needs to be maintained.
Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos
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#72You guys should consider donating to the International Anti-Poaching Foundation[0][1] which fights these poachers. The founder, Damien Mander[2], is an Australian ex spec-ops sniper who is using his military experience to train the park rangers since they, unlike the poachers, tend to be poorly equipped and trained as well as understaffed. There is also the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust[3][4] which takes care of ele…
Donated 50 to each. Thanks for sharing!
Re: Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos
#73You guys should consider donating to the International Anti-Poaching Foundation[0][1] which fights these poachers. The founder, Damien Mander[2], is an Australian ex spec-ops sniper who is using his military experience to train the park rangers since they, unlike the poachers, tend to be poorly equipped and trained as well as understaffed. There is also the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust[3][4] which takes care of ele…
> You guys should consider donating to the International Anti-Poaching Foundation which fights these poachers.
The people in the video capturing calves are not poachers - they are Parks and Wildlife rangers. The sale to zoos are entirely legal in both countries, but might be contravening CITES rules.
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#74I'd highly recommend watching "Blackfish" for some insight into this sort of phenomenon with a more domestic spin (spoiler, it's about SeaWorld's acquisition of and treatment of their Orcas).
I'd actually recommend against it due to its "domestic spin", as well as its bias, questionable editing, and questionable experts.
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I added an answer to this at the bottom of my comment.
Great article, thanks for sharing. > "...1) We like them, 2) The biosphere provides trillions of dollars to the global economy, 3) Loss of species impacts ecological systems and puts us at risk as we depend on them for survival." Is there a non-selfish reason, that is morally justifiable, for preventing species extinction?
Assuming humans did not exist, the main moral justification I see would be to prevent the unnecessary suffering of living beings. Of course suffering is a part of natural systems, but as living beings, we can identify with the discomfort of said suffering, and find it a moral imperative to limit suffering to only that which is necessary.
When natural systems can no longer sustain life, that life dies out. This can happen when there are no longer enough natural resources to support said life. But this does not necessarily happen quickly. The cause could be drought or famine or climate chane, resulting in lack of an environment suitable to life. This can cause the deterioration of a species to the point of disease, starvation, cannibalization, and other painful processes.
Let's take an example. Assume that some new disease affected a wolf population in a given area. Once those wolves died out, the lack of natural predators would cause other species (say, deer) to reproduce abundantly, and then overgraze, which would then affect the growth of forests, which then would affect the ecology sustaining a myriad of species that live in said forest. Assuming those species attempted to adapt by migration, they may be adversely affected by other species in a new region, or adversely affect those species themselves, setting off new chain reactions.
This is not a theory. This is a real problem affecting the northeast united states. Except it wasn't disease that killed off the wolves: it was humans.
Re: Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos
#76You guys should consider donating to the International Anti-Poaching Foundation[0][1] which fights these poachers. The founder, Damien Mander[2], is an Australian ex spec-ops sniper who is using his military experience to train the park rangers since they, unlike the poachers, tend to be poorly equipped and trained as well as understaffed. There is also the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust[3][4] which takes care of ele…
Out of curiosity, are these organizations literally fighting poachers? I.e. we're saying that an elephant's life is more valuable than a human's? That's an interesting moral question.
Do the same rules not apply in almost all countries when someone commits armed robbery of priceless artifacts with military grade weapons?
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Is an elephant’s life more valuable than a randomly selected human? Probably not. Is an elephant’s life worth more than someone who poaches endangered animals? Probably. Also, these poachers are usually armed and willing to kill for their poach. The best defense against an idiot with a WWII export AK variant is a smarter person with a much longer-range weapon.
> Is an elephant’s life more valuable than a randomly selected human? Probably not. According to The Law of Scarcity isn't the life of an elephant more valuable than a human?
No? Scarcity alone isn’t enough to make something valuable.
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#78I wonder if legalizing the sale of elephants, rhino horns, etc. (but still protecting the ones in the wild) would lead to a sort of positive version of the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect After all, if you can make tons of money selling rhino horns (but know you’ll get shot if you kill an existing rhino to do it), people might start putting a lot of money into rhino farms, which could be good for the glo…
Even if there were a billion Rhinos, killing them for their horns should never be acceptable.
Why? We kill over 50 billion other animals a year for their body parts.
Re: Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos
#79I wonder if legalizing the sale of elephants, rhino horns, etc. (but still protecting the ones in the wild) would lead to a sort of positive version of the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect After all, if you can make tons of money selling rhino horns (but know you’ll get shot if you kill an existing rhino to do it), people might start putting a lot of money into rhino farms, which could be good for the glo…
No. People weren't "farming" them before laws cracked down on it. Laws cracked down on it precisely because of how people were going about getting ivory. Besides, we're not aiming for pure population count... imagine the shitty quality of life an "ivory farm elephant" would have? And after they take the horn or tusk, what then? Meat?
People weren’t farming because there was a plentiful natural supply that was easy to get at. The costs of acquiring “free range” elephant is already so high that if you allowed people the cheaper option of farming elephants, it would probably be viable.
You don’t have to kill an elephant (or rhino) to take their tusks. Presumably their quality of life would be no worse than that of e.g. cows.
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Even if there were a billion Rhinos, killing them for their horns should never be acceptable.
Why? We kill over 50 billion other animals a year for their body parts.
Yes and we shouldn't kill those animals either. We shouldn't be killing any animals, for food or otherwise.