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Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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Post by mudil »

wavefunction wrote: post #64
mudil wrote: post #41

It should also be emphasized that Trump administration, so easily labeled as racist by practically everyone on the left, has urged 'strong and swift' U.N. action to end Rohingya Muslims crisis. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-rohingya/trump-ur...

You refuse to rent to black folks, you refuse to have black folks count your money, you claim a US citizen and judge is illegitimate because he's hispanic, you might be a racist...

What do these accusations have to do with the administration?

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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Post by pjc50 »

slamdance wrote: post #52
jackmott wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because so many people are horrible

while horrible people do exist, is that a reason to strip them of their ability to express their ideas? Take for example some of the worst - Vegan Cross-fitters. Now, while i see them as 'horrible' people, I also see them as misinformed. This does not stop me from eating bacon in front of them. There are a myriad of ways to avoid them and their ilk. Here's the rub - THEY probably think the same thing as me (ikr, man-…

>you know what sites are legit

Yes, the ones with moderators.

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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Post by yahna »

slamdance wrote: post #52
jackmott wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because so many people are horrible

while horrible people do exist, is that a reason to strip them of their ability to express their ideas? Take for example some of the worst - Vegan Cross-fitters. Now, while i see them as 'horrible' people, I also see them as misinformed. This does not stop me from eating bacon in front of them. There are a myriad of ways to avoid them and their ilk. Here's the rub - THEY probably think the same thing as me (ikr, man-…

> is that a reason to strip them of their ability to express their ideas?

Yes. They can go do their shit somewhere.

> Take for example some of the worst - Vegan Cross-fitters.

Because we are talking about annoying people and not those who advocate for genocide.

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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Post by zhemao »

dogma1138 wrote: post #23
NTDF9 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Censorship is one of those really hard social problems. A completely open web will be inundated with spam, pornography and propaganda. A completely gated web will only serve the gatekeepers. What really solves the problem is a 3rd party gatekeeper composed of "Council of Wise People".(henceforth referred to as gatekeepers). Movie rating board is an example. This leads to the age old question, "Who will monitor the ga…

The web is now filled with spam, porn and propaganda... The problem here is that Facebook seems to be choosing sides. It worth noting that this might be propaganda to begin with and many of those so called "activists" posts could likely be violating TOS at the least if not actual laws. What is going on in Burma is terrible but there has been a lot of violence from all factions the Buddhists didn't woke up one day and…

> the Buddhists didn't woke up one day and decided to commit genocide

Germans didn't wake up one day in the 1930s and decide to exterminate the Jews either. That doesn't mean the Jews were at all to blame for their persecution.

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Post by yahna »

NTDF9 wrote: post #15
frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #9

I'm kind of split on our current gray area about free speech on the web. It seems like the only way to do good moderation is if it's powered by actual people sitting behind computers and following a well-written policy. But tech companies have proven themselves totally unwilling to pay for that. I'd rather FB just said "we'll never pony up the wages necessary to moderate well so we're just going to make facebook a co…

Censorship is one of those really hard social problems. A completely open web will be inundated with spam, pornography and propaganda. A completely gated web will only serve the gatekeepers. What really solves the problem is a 3rd party gatekeeper composed of "Council of Wise People".(henceforth referred to as gatekeepers). Movie rating board is an example. This leads to the age old question, "Who will monitor the ga…

You create 2 sets of gatekeepers who have the job of not only gatekeeping, but also taking the other group of gatekeepers down.

Keep both honest.

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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Post by zhemao »

mudil wrote: post #41

It should also be emphasized that Trump administration, so easily labeled as racist by practically everyone on the left, has urged 'strong and swift' U.N. action to end Rohingya Muslims crisis. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-rohingya/trump-ur...

And how open is the administration to taking in Rohingya refugees who've been displaced by the violence?

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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Post by 3131s »

jackmott wrote: post #16
slamdance wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why are you "split" on having a "complete free speech zone"?

because so many people are horrible

Censoring them doesn't make them go away. It only removes any hope of turning them into not-horrible people, and in the process many controversial but worthwhile ideas are filtered out.

I think individuals should have the tools to disengage from trolls, harassment, spam, etc. (even if it's a catch-all "block everyone that my extended network has blocked" checkbox, or something similar) but I personally want the option to see the dregs of humanity and actively engage with those people.

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Post by mudil »

zhemao wrote: post #76
mudil wrote: post #41

It should also be emphasized that Trump administration, so easily labeled as racist by practically everyone on the left, has urged 'strong and swift' U.N. action to end Rohingya Muslims crisis. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-rohingya/trump-ur...

And how open is the administration to taking in Rohingya refugees who've been displaced by the violence?

United States is literally on the other side of the world. There are places like Malaysia, a very good friend of Rohingya Muslims, China, Thailand, and others that would be perfect places to accommodate. I am not sure why you think that United States should be a deposit box for all sorts of human miseries from across the globe.

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Post by Karunamon »

NTDF9 wrote: post #32
dogma1138 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The web is now filled with spam, porn and propaganda... The problem here is that Facebook seems to be choosing sides. It worth noting that this might be propaganda to begin with and many of those so called "activists" posts could likely be violating TOS at the least if not actual laws. What is going on in Burma is terrible but there has been a lot of violence from all factions the Buddhists didn't woke up one day and…

>> The problem here is that Facebook seems to be choosing sides. There is ALWAYS choosing sides. When FB decides to block pornography, they are choosing a side. When FB decides to mark some posts as spam, they are choosing a side. Could they have a platform with ZERO choosing of sides? Technically, yes! But, do you know what that would look like? My guess is more and more spam posts.

Moderate the 'spam' per-user rather than globally. The main problem that I and most other users have with the anti-free-speech practices is bad categorization. Give users the tools to moderate their own experience (with defaults, so long as they can be disabled, and heck, disable the ability to change them in more repressive countries) and you basically have the problem solved.

I don't want these companies making the "disappear this" judgment calls anymore. They've shown that making those calls dispassionately and objectively isn't all that important to them.

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Post by Karunamon »

pjc50 wrote: post #51
Karunamon wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I may have misinterpreted your original comment. You said: Also, in some cases other people see the trolling about you even after you block it. ..which implies it's a negative that you don't have control over the (valueJudgmentOf: comments) about you after you've blocked the conversation. Was this incorrect?

Yes, but that's not the same as unconditional veto . This is basically the situation where you'd want to appeal to a third party human.

That's basically what we have now but with an extra step added.
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