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Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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> Snowden’s revelations have hurt the United States’ relations with some allies and slowed the sales of U.S. technology products abroad. So it wasn't the spying that hurt the relations, it was Snowden. Okay. I'll stop reading now. This news source just discredited itself.

All countries spy. In fact it is imperative that they do

Zero countries control as many key technologies trusted by other countries as the US

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the USA did do some good for the world. 80 years ago. But what it is doing today is a terrible, atrocious tragedy, and its far beyond the point where the means justify the ends. I mean that as someone who follows closely the cost of American warfare, and as someone who refuses to ignore the human tragedy it is bringing to current generations of people who really, really do not deserve to have had their infrastr…

The problem is, we wanted to do Iraq and Afghanistan and get out. If we had done a Marshall Plan in Iraq, we would have had maybe 100,000 troops there for a decade, but it would have been stable when we left.

> we would have had maybe 100,000 troops there for a decade

The US has had north of 100k troops in Iraq for 7 years, then about 50k for 3 more years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_troop_surge_of_2007#/...

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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It's amazing to me that Russian espionage has been able to turn Western media against itself. Russia, China and every other advanced nation do the same things to the limits of their capability. Russia, in particular, killed a bunch of journalists over domestic intelligence operations, though. But people just eat up the stories about the US uncritically.

And CIA under Obama administration killed Andrew Breitbart when he started talking about Podesta's closet ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgBvPx4CvhI ). But of course he died of a "heart attack" just like Russian journalists seem to do.

I suppose it is an accomplishment that hn is so mainstream as to attract pizzagate-grade trolls

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Hopefully, the democratic public. Realistically though, authoritarian power brokers.

I apologize for the rabbit hole. But I must ask: the "democratic public" of North Korea? or just "mob rule" in general? the "authoritarian power brokers" of the US? or Russia (i.e. Ukraine, Odessa, etc...)?, China (i.e. India, Tibet, Myanmar vs. Rohingyas, etc...)? The line has to be drawn somewhere . The UN has proven to be quite useless. Edit - Link Added: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/china-endorses-myanmar…

True power is assumed, never granted.

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the USA did do some good for the world. 80 years ago. But what it is doing today is a terrible, atrocious tragedy, and its far beyond the point where the means justify the ends. I mean that as someone who follows closely the cost of American warfare, and as someone who refuses to ignore the human tragedy it is bringing to current generations of people who really, really do not deserve to have had their infrastr…

The problem is, we wanted to do Iraq and Afghanistan and get out. If we had done a Marshall Plan in Iraq, we would have had maybe 100,000 troops there for a decade, but it would have been stable when we left.

The problem is, you thought it was acceptable to be there in the first place.

Fuck, its 2017, are we really still explaining this? Of course we are. We must.

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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post #40
post #8

> Snowden’s revelations have hurt the United States’ relations with some allies and slowed the sales of U.S. technology products abroad. So it wasn't the spying that hurt the relations, it was Snowden. Okay. I'll stop reading now. This news source just discredited itself.

That's an awfully uncharitable reading of that sentence. Let me emphasize this for you: >Snowden’s revelations have hurt the United States’ relations with some allies and slowed the sales of U.S. technology products abroad.

So it wasn't the spying that hurt the relations, it was the revelations that the spying was happening?

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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post #59

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The point is, Russian military action in Ukraine was for the purpose of protecting its sovereign borders and access to the Black Sea. While I agree that it was a heinous action, it is more justifiable than any military action the USA has projected, if but for the simple fact that it was close to home - literally on Russias' doorstep. America, however, projects power around the globe - not for its own protection of so…

"Protecting its sovereign borders" by stealing from others' sovereign borders? Sorry, not buying it.

I don't agree that Russia should have done what it did to Ukraine, and its territories. No, sir.

But I find the argument that "USA is not bad, because Russia did bad" to be highly specious.

Russia, and the Russians in the region that was invaded, can justify its mis-deeds as protection of its sovereignty.

America, and thus Americans, cannot.

There were no Americans to protect in Iraq. In Afghanistan. In Syria, Yemen, Libya.

Seriously, Americans are liable for some deep, deep shit. Russians, less so.

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the USA did do some good for the world. 80 years ago. But what it is doing today is a terrible, atrocious tragedy, and its far beyond the point where the means justify the ends. I mean that as someone who follows closely the cost of American warfare, and as someone who refuses to ignore the human tragedy it is bringing to current generations of people who really, really do not deserve to have had their infrastr…

The problem is, we wanted to do Iraq and Afghanistan and get out. If we had done a Marshall Plan in Iraq, we would have had maybe 100,000 troops there for a decade, but it would have been stable when we left.

The U.S. doesn't leave. Pretty much any where we send troops, we tend to set up bases there and remain indefinitely.

Just look at Germany, Japan, Korea, Iraq, ...

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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It's amazing to me that Russian espionage has been able to turn Western media against itself. Russia, China and every other advanced nation do the same things to the limits of their capability. Russia, in particular, killed a bunch of journalists over domestic intelligence operations, though. But people just eat up the stories about the US uncritically.

Do we have evidence of the discussed vulnerabilities in certain hard drives? If so, I'm perfectly fine with the Russian state doing the NSA's job in securing American digital assets.

Schneier covered IRATEMONK [0], as did others.

[0]: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/01/iratemonk_nsa...

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