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Re: RIM on Apple's claims of Blackberry Bold signal loss

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Post by grandalf » Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 4:58 PM UTC

megablast wrote: post #68

grandalf wrote: post #61

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Hah. Well, I followed the procedure blackberry that I read causes the bars to decrease in the iphone 4. There was no decrease whatsoever.

Do you understand that this is related not just to how you hold the phone, but where you are and what reception you are getting. There are plenty of people (most?) that can not produce this on the iphones either.

I wasn't attempting to insinuate that all iPhone 4G's are easy to trigger this in, but I wanted to defend Blackberry from the unfair attack by Apple. I have had a few Blackberries and none have ever had any noticeable hand position related signal loss across a variety of signal strength and location environments.

Re: RIM on Apple's claims of Blackberry Bold signal loss

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Post by megablast » Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 11:09 PM UTC

grandalf wrote: post #71

megablast wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you understand that this is related not just to how you hold the phone, but where you are and what reception you are getting. There are plenty of people (most?) that can not produce this on the iphones either.

I wasn't attempting to insinuate that all iPhone 4G's are easy to trigger this in, but I wanted to defend Blackberry from the unfair attack by Apple. I have had a few Blackberries and none have ever had any noticeable hand position related signal loss across a variety of signal strength and location environments.

How is this an unfair attack? It is not an attack at all, it is simple physics. All phones have this problem, the media are focusing on just one phone, because it is more newsworthy. Apple are saying it is a problem with most phones out there, the iPhone is no different. You really see that as an attack.

Re: RIM on Apple's claims of Blackberry Bold signal loss

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Post by delackner » Tue, Jul 20, 2010, 3:23 AM UTC

ugh wrote: post #3

pierrefar wrote: post #2

Did Apple even attempt to provide evidence of the Blackberry having a similar problem?

They showed a video of a Blackberry that, when gripped, looses bars [+]. If they wanted to really convince me they would have to show me better measurements but I would say that’s evidence, isn’t it? [+] You can scroll down and watch it yourself: http://www.apple.com/antenna/

Wow. Those videos are powerfully convincing that Apple has handled this whole media frenzy in a perfectly reasonable fashion. The only real criticism here is to say that when the media is wrong, and you know you are right, telling them to shove it is not exactly the most skillful way of spinning the situation.

A lot of people now vaguely have an impression that the iPhone 4 has spotty reception. That impression will last much longer than if Apple had attacked immediately with these videos instead of "there is no problem".

But keep it all in perspective eh?

Just yesterday on the beach a friend was snapping a photo of the sunset with his iPhone 4, saying wow this thing really takes great photos. He also mentioned being concerned about the antenna issue. Yet he was oggling it like it was a jewel. Others present bemoaned not having had the foresight to pre-order.

Later in the afternoon another friend was wandering around ranting "where is my iPhone 4!" in increasingly loud and frantic tones, until finally he found it and was reunited with his precious.

Re: RIM on Apple's claims of Blackberry Bold signal loss

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Post by zhell » Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 2:28 PM UTC

Geee wrote: post #43

nkassis wrote: post #34

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Yeah felt that apple was being a little sneaky with how they were putting out the data. Lets assume that 0.1 calls per hundreds was lost on the 3gs, then 1 more is a huge difference, if the 3gs dropped 3 calls than it's still huge but not as huge so without the 3gs drops per hundreds how do we know wtf 1 more means? 1 more is still a ton, an average user probably does more than 100 calls per month so... that's a drop…

Exactly, in some areas dropped call rates could be as low as one per thousand. Adding one per hundred to this would lead in tenfold increase in dropped calls.

Well, the area where the user uses their phone obviously affects both the iPhone 3GS as well as 4. So if a user has 1/100th the number of call drops on the 3GS, they will see a smaller increase with the iPhone 4, i.e. less than one percentage point. The “average joe” user will experience the increase given by Jobs. And finally, those who drop several calls a day with the 3GS will likely have returned their iPhone 4 already.