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Bitcoin Tumbles as PBOC Declares Initial Coin Offerings Illegal

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Re: Bitcoin Tumbles as PBOC Declares Initial Coin Offerings Illegal

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Bitcoin price goes from 1000 to 5000 in 6 months, but now it's tumbling just because it went back to 4200?

I love buying cheap bitcoin. Can it fall a bit more, please?

people are going to make a serious killing selling puts on this when the regulators and industry get it together

Re: Bitcoin Tumbles as PBOC Declares Initial Coin Offerings Illegal

#72

In 2013, China's government declared Bitcoin to be illegal, and Bitcoin crashed from $1,200 to $425. I figured that it would be impossible for Bitcoin to succeed if China outlawed it, so I sold my Bitcoins at $425. I think I was the low trade. Now Bitcoin is at more than ten times that level. Let that story inform your decision making now.

Why would anyone base their decision off one anecdotal piece of evidence from a rando on HN?

P.S. I sold the 10 bitcoins I mined at $5 (got a $50 amazon gift card). Woulda, coulda, shoulda, e.g., "I should have bought AAPL at $XX".. etc. I don't lose any sleep over those type of situations anymore.

Re: Bitcoin Tumbles as PBOC Declares Initial Coin Offerings Illegal

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Aren't ICOs more of an altcoin phenomenon? How does this impact upon Bitcoin? To me It looked like Bitcoin just bounced off a psychological ceiling at 5000USD. It has done this with various round number levels in the past. It makes a bit of sense if you consider people are inclined to think something like "I'll sell when it reaches $5000" There also seems to be a tendancy to use evocative language (collapse,tumble,co…

What is an ICO?

Essentially, selling some amount of your cryptocurrency to your investors before you launch.

Re: Bitcoin Tumbles as PBOC Declares Initial Coin Offerings Illegal

#74
post #17

Aren't ICOs more of an altcoin phenomenon? How does this impact upon Bitcoin? To me It looked like Bitcoin just bounced off a psychological ceiling at 5000USD. It has done this with various round number levels in the past. It makes a bit of sense if you consider people are inclined to think something like "I'll sell when it reaches $5000" There also seems to be a tendancy to use evocative language (collapse,tumble,co…

People don't buy and sell ICO tokens with fiat, they do it with bitcoins. If a bunch of people want to sell their ICO tokens for fiat, they first end up with a bunch of bitcoins, and then they need to sell bitcoins for fiat. This pushes the price of bitcoins in fiat down. It's a temporary phenomenon, but the price going down can make the price fall farther, because there are a bunch of amateur traders who think it's…

To go from altcoins to fiat, one needs to first buy Bitcoin with altcoins, then sell Bitcoin for fiat. Why would this not be price neutral for Bitcoin?

Re: Bitcoin Tumbles as PBOC Declares Initial Coin Offerings Illegal

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post #17

Aren't ICOs more of an altcoin phenomenon? How does this impact upon Bitcoin? To me It looked like Bitcoin just bounced off a psychological ceiling at 5000USD. It has done this with various round number levels in the past. It makes a bit of sense if you consider people are inclined to think something like "I'll sell when it reaches $5000" There also seems to be a tendancy to use evocative language (collapse,tumble,co…

What is an ICO?

A new way to fund companies. Instead of selling parts, issue tokens that work like a cryptocurrency and promise they will entitle to some profits. Sell these for bitcoins. Recently some companies raised a billion USD that way (yes, billion)

The concern, that I share, is that this system is very vulnerable to Ponzi scheme. And unlike Bitcoin, the crash of the pyramid is not a feature in this system.

I think people are right to warn and forbid this thing. Pyramid scheme can have large-scale effect in an economy.

I think etherum provides way to do things more responsibly but I understand that authorities moved quickly when they saw anonymous companies with no products receiving a billion USD.

Even that will cause ripples when it collapses. You don't want it to grow more.

Re: Bitcoin Tumbles as PBOC Declares Initial Coin Offerings Illegal

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BTC has never-before seen volatility, biggest bubble of all time. If bagholders are all aboard, prepare for a dip below 2k for a swing. The market is very orderly (which is why I was able to predict both the price and time of peak, see my other account) using tech analysis only. Therefore there is sufficient evidence of a balanced disparity between insiders (brought to you by GS and company) and the uninformed. For t…

"BTC has never-before seen volatility, biggest bubble of all time."

You are very wrong. First, volatility used to be much worse: https://mobile.twitter.com/lsukernik/status/8649208737189519... Secondly, the importance of a bubble is measured relatively not absolutely: BTC may be near the all-time high but it has seen only a ~2x increase in the last 30 days, while the Nov 2013, Feb 2013, and Jun 2012 bubbles all saw 10x...

Re: Bitcoin Tumbles as PBOC Declares Initial Coin Offerings Illegal

#78
post #47

Long term, having some governmental oversight is key to the mainstream success of cryptocurrency. While this may make the ride bumpier, I'm happy that China has decided to setup some regulation around ICOs, mostly impacting scammers and fraudsters. My only concern is this regulation takes a while to figure out and this kills some momentum.

Governmental control of the monetary system (AKA "oversight") is one of the biggest reasons Bitcoin was invented in the first place. The last thing this world needs is more oversight and control by disconnected bureaucrats with no skin in the game.

Long-term, however, such attempts at regulating cryptocurrency simply make it even MORE decentralized / antifragile as people stop using traditional exchanges (which can be easily regulated) and start using decentralized options such as LocalBitcoins.com (which is all but impossible to regulate).

EDIT: website link

Re: Bitcoin Tumbles as PBOC Declares Initial Coin Offerings Illegal

#79
post #44

BTC has never-before seen volatility, biggest bubble of all time. If bagholders are all aboard, prepare for a dip below 2k for a swing. The market is very orderly (which is why I was able to predict both the price and time of peak, see my other account) using tech analysis only. Therefore there is sufficient evidence of a balanced disparity between insiders (brought to you by GS and company) and the uninformed. For t…

And your other account is?

Re: Bitcoin Tumbles as PBOC Declares Initial Coin Offerings Illegal

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post #17

Aren't ICOs more of an altcoin phenomenon? How does this impact upon Bitcoin? To me It looked like Bitcoin just bounced off a psychological ceiling at 5000USD. It has done this with various round number levels in the past. It makes a bit of sense if you consider people are inclined to think something like "I'll sell when it reaches $5000" There also seems to be a tendancy to use evocative language (collapse,tumble,co…

What is an ICO?

It's an Initial Coin Offering, a unregulated way for a company to raise funds, but which has also been associated with scams and Ponzi schemes recently.
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