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Low-fat diet could kill you, major study shows

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Post by efefefe »

ashark wrote: post #44
adrianN wrote: post #19

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I keep seeing the argument that only the wealthy can afford a healthy diet. I just don't buy it. At least in western countries, anybody can do it, it's not that hard. Getting the basics right is just a google search away. Buying reasonably healthy food is not that expensive, and preparation doesn't take long. I know that because I prepare my food myself and it doesn't take me more than two or three hours per week. Oa…

It gets more difficult when you're cooking for/dining with your family and not everyone's on board with sandwich and egg dinners all the time. Kids, yeah, they'll eat what you give them (sooner or later) but a spouse/SO is another matter. Not impossible, but harder. Exercise, diet, just so much easier when you're single. Stupid-easy. And before kids, especially the exercise part.

What healthy people eat sandwich and egg dinners? lol.

It's not "stupid easy" for single people to exercise and have a healthy diet. It's INCREDIBLY hard - that's why it's not done often.

Kids and a wife have not stopped people from exercising and eating healthy. You don't have 30 minutes 3 times a week? Come on. Your family wont eat chicken / turkey / beef, potato / rice, and veggies? lol

Excuses.

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justin66 wrote: post #68
hammock wrote: post #67

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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html Also, http://m.med-health.net/protein-deficiency-diseases.html

These are extraordinary examples that amount to clickbait.

In addition to the American vegan baby who died in 2004 that I linked above, here are some more extraordinary examples.

French vegan baby dead (2008) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-d...

Belgian vegan baby dead (2014) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40274493

Italian vegan baby almost dies (2016) https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/4xkk3n/couple-lose-cu...

Another Italian vegan baby almost dies (2016) https://www.thelocal.it/20160629/two-year-old-in-serious-con...

Futhermore, malnutrition - divided into a)protein deficiency, which is the biggest component, and b)micronutrient deficiency - is globally the most important risk factor for illness and death. Over 19% of young children in India have a protein deficiency[1] and over 41% of young children in rural Nigeria[2]. It's obviously worse in undeveloped nations but check the dead babies above if you think it can't happen in the developed world too.

[1]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4005205/ [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10768411

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Post by agumonkey »

notdonspaulding wrote: post #63

PSA: Death is coming. You are going to die. Your parents are going to die. Your kids are going to die. Everyone you know is going to die. Are there things which you can do to reduce your risk of dying earlier than the average person born at the same time as you? Sure. Are there things which you can do to definitely prolong your life? No. Death is a statistics game and 1 out of every 1 people will die at some point in…

senescence researchers want to have a word with you :p

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Post by hammock »

sebleon wrote: post #69
hammock wrote: post #38

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Your body has minimum protein (and types of protein, AKA essential aminos) and fat (and types of fat, essential fatty acids) requirements, or you will die. And that is not a clickbait headline. So hitting those macros are vital even if you are focusing on whole foods

> Your body has minimum protein [macronutrient] requirements True, but counting macros isn't a practical framework for eating well. Empirically, the US obesity epidemic is not about people missing macronutrient goals; it comes from eating low-quality processed pseudo-foods.

I agree with you, but I'm suggesting hitting (for example) at least 50g complete protein and 50g fat as a requirement of whatever whole foods requirements you want to set. Going on a fruit- or juice-only diet for two weeks could be pretty painful otherwise.

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Post by justin66 »

hammock wrote: post #72
justin66 wrote: post #68

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These are extraordinary examples that amount to clickbait.

In addition to the American vegan baby who died in 2004 that I linked above, here are some more extraordinary examples. French vegan baby dead (2008) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-d... Belgian vegan baby dead (2014) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40274493 Italian vegan baby almost dies (2016) https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/4xkk3n/couple-lose-cu... Another Italian vegan baby…

These are tragic instances of children being underfed or, in the case of the 'vegan babies,' being fed very, very stupidly. Babies should be breastfed and children should get enough to eat. I don't think any mainstream or even oddball medical or dietary understanding is being challenged here.

(promulgating the myth that "complete proteins" are an important idea is still bothersome, but now I'm not sure that's what you were doing)

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Post by foxyv »

agumonkey wrote: post #73
notdonspaulding wrote: post #63

PSA: Death is coming. You are going to die. Your parents are going to die. Your kids are going to die. Everyone you know is going to die. Are there things which you can do to reduce your risk of dying earlier than the average person born at the same time as you? Sure. Are there things which you can do to definitely prolong your life? No. Death is a statistics game and 1 out of every 1 people will die at some point in…

senescence researchers want to have a word with you :p

Then they got hit by a truck ^_^

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Post by adrianN »

quoquoquo wrote: post #59
pnw_hazor wrote: post #58

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It is not too complicated. Eliminate or significantly reduce, bread, potatoes, rice, skim milk, sugary stuff, and cereals from your diet and you will be healthier. At our household we just got rid of bread and starch/carb sides and serve more vegetables to make up for it.

I switched my Western diet to strictly vegetarian Korean dishes a decade ago and feel so much better. Basically, what I learned is that Western diet is designed to kill you. There's just no way all that carb and sugar is healthy.

And yet people in the blue zones eat quite a bit of carbs. Sardinians eat noodles, people on Okinawa eat rice...

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Post by acconrad »

buu700 wrote: post #41
acconrad wrote: post #20

Here's a link to the study (which, by the way, was unnecessarily difficult to find): http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67... What a sensationalist and wrong headline. All it says is that "Total fat and saturated and unsaturated fats were not significantly associated with risk of myocardial infarction or cardiovascular disease mortality." So whether you have low or high fat in your diet, you co…

whether you have low or high fat in your diet, you could fill a good portion of that total caloric intake with protein instead of carbohydrates and that would still satisfy the claims that you can mitigate against "Higher carbohydrate intake was associated with an increased risk of total mortality" This doesn't contadict any of your points here, but: my understanding is that excess dietary protein is broken down into…

Not exactly. Protein has a higher thermic effect in that it requires more energy from the body to break it down into amino acids. So say you fill both your glycogen and your amino acid requirements, given just proteins and carbs, while both will be converted to glucose, the metabolic effect required by the body to process protein will be higher than the carbohydrate.
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