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Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

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Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

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Post by lorenzhs »

Filligree wrote: post #63
lorenzhs wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cooling limitations are extremely applicable to laptops! You can easily have two different machines with identical CPUs and 10%+ performance difference because one has a proper cooling system while the other doesn't. Check the notebookcheck rankings if you want to see some specific numbers.

Sorry, I meant that in the sense that no laptop is "properly cooled". There definitely can still be variations. :P

That's not actually true! From https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T470-Core-i5-F...:

"Our stress test with the tools Prime95 and FurMark (at least one hour) on mains is not a big challenge for the ThinkPad T470. Thanks to the increased TDP limit, both components can maintain their maximum respective clocks over the course of the review. [...] The two CPU cores maintain the full Turbo Boost at 3.1 GHz and the graphics card 998 MHz."

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Post by jrs95 »

vladimirralev wrote: post #43

Still LPDDR3 with 16GB RAM limitation. What an embarrassment, all phone SoC today use LPDDR4(x) and technically support more RAM than the desktop Intel CPUs.

Does anyone know if Ryzen will support LPDDR4 in it's mobile chips? I tried Googling around for it but couldn't get an obvious yes or no.

Seems sort of unlikely, but if they do support it a lot sooner than Intel, that would be a big win for AMD.

Even more unlikely would be a Ryzen powered MacBook Pro with 32GB of LPDDR4 RAM...but I'd be willing to pay a lot of money for that. I know Apple tends to prioritize single core performance on their own chips, but almost all of the desktop software their pro users are using would run better on Ryzen than on Intel's current offerings.

Plus, with Intel's Iris Pro gone, Ryzen might allow them to have better integrated graphics, and bring back a 15" model with no dGPU.

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

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Post by throwasehasdwi »

tammer wrote: post #33
mrmondo wrote: post #26

Good to see lower power usage but the one thing I still feel is missing is widespread support for ECC on the desk(lap)top.

Curious what your use case is that entails ECC? Are you currently being held back without it?

It's insane that we're still using systems without ECC RAM. As memory shrinks bit errors get progressively more common. The more memory you have the better chance of corruption as well of course.

Literally everything else that holds "data" has been using some form of error correction forever. Hard drives, SSD's, USB flash drives, file systems, databases, even network packets. Even HDMI uses error correction, and how important is momentary pixel corruption on a screen???

It's totally insane that we're not using ECC with such large amounts of RAM built on tiny processes. Its definitely just a cartel artificially maintaining a situation that's bad for everyone not selling server chips.

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

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Post by astrodust »

throwasehasdwi wrote: post #73
tammer wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious what your use case is that entails ECC? Are you currently being held back without it?

It's insane that we're still using systems without ECC RAM. As memory shrinks bit errors get progressively more common. The more memory you have the better chance of corruption as well of course. Literally everything else that holds "data" has been using some form of error correction forever. Hard drives, SSD's, USB flash drives, file systems, databases, even network packets. Even HDMI uses error correction, and how…

Exactly. A "one in a billion" event now happens with great regularity on a system with over a hundred billion of bits of memory.

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

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Post by samstave »

What does the term "lake" represent in these family of CPUs?

Apparently asking this makes me an idiot to some... while I'll admit to simply laziness...

I assume that it would tie a technology together as a code name for this family of procs, but in the case of "lake" they use it in multiple differing technologies...

So was curious if it meant something else non-obvious to me.

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Post by matwood »

vladimirralev wrote: post #43

Still LPDDR3 with 16GB RAM limitation. What an embarrassment, all phone SoC today use LPDDR4(x) and technically support more RAM than the desktop Intel CPUs.

That's a bummer. The upside is that I will continue to have no reason to upgrade my current MBP.

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Post by jjjsdf87777 »

nfriedly wrote: post #58

> Intel’s big aim with the new processors is, as always, to tackle the growing market of 3-5+ year old devices still being used today, quoting better performance, a better user experience, longer battery life, and fundamentally new experiences when using newer hardware. Two years ago Intel quoted 300 million units fit into this 3-5+ year window; now that number is 450 million. Yep, Intel's problem is that most folks…

The big grief I have with "general computing" platforms is their insistence of sticking with the traditional form factor.

ATX, ITX, PCI-, DDR ...outdated, overboard, clunky designs for most people.

Take a Mac Mini-like design, and make modules that can stack or otherwise attach to expand capabilities. IMO, this is what Apple should do and be done with the whole "But Mac Pro users ...!"

A project Ara-like desktop, both its size and modularity, would probably offer more than enough computing power for most users (browsing, office, youtube).

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

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Post by jws »

sundvor wrote: post #3

Oooh moving to a baseline of 4 cores; this means we'll see quad core Lenovo X1 Carbons / Ultrabooks soon. :) I for one am excited.

Maybe I'll finally be able to buy a Mac Mini that is faster than the 2012 model I use for grinding up data.

Edit: maybe not. Looks like the Mini is about a 45 watt CPU and these are the 15 watt line. Oh well, it's been 1040 days since the last update (downdate? Maybe that is the term for a product update that releases a slower computer). I can wait for the 45 watt CPUs. Probably, I am past my half-life.

(The current 2 core and 4 core processors that make sense in a Mini have different footprints, so Apple just did the two core to keep costs down. There hasn't been a quad since 2012.)

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Post by ksec »

I wonder how many Programmers here using Macbook Pro need an Iris Graphics? Compared to this newest UHD 620 ( Which really is just HD 620 with HDMI 2.2 support ), the Skylake Iris Graphics is rougly 50% to 60% faster. But with Kaby Lake Refresh you get Quad Core instead of Dual Core.

I wonder how many would prefer to have a Quad Core Macbook Pro 13" instead.

* These 15W parts can be TDP Config up to 25W. Which Fits the Macbook Pro uses.

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