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DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by dragonwriter »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #57
tw04 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no planet on which you can lump those three together. One provides access to the internet, one provides a service on top of it. ISPs can and should be regulated... in fact they should pass a law... maybe call it net neutrality. That is where we should draw the line, beginning and end of story. If google deems a site offensive and doesn't want to return it in search listings, I'll find another search engine. I…

> That is where we should draw the line Domain registrars look more like utilities, e.g. ISPs, than applications, e.g. Google.

A key argument for ISPs being treated as utilities (which is, itself, a controversial idea) is that they tend to be local monopolies or oligopolies. This is not the case with domain registrars, a field in which there are many available alternatives selling an interchangeable commodity product.

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Post by HNNoLikey »

whateveracct wrote: post #7
mankash666 wrote: post #4

This is the proper thing to do for DreamHost. On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just li…

> On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. Google and GoDaddy are not beholden to the constitution and are well within their rights to reject the Daily Stormer. White supremacy isn't a suspect cl…

> It's perfectly legal for a business to discriminate against such views.

Well-intentioned question: where do you draw the line? Where does it start or end? Businesses that have used this same logic to discriminate against LGBT patrons based on the owners' religious beliefs have had a very difficult time selling this same spiel.

Edit: Scrolling down, I can see this same question asked multiple times. My assessment is that, it's a very difficult thing to do and we must admit our biases even as we make our voices heard.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by blfr »

wmil wrote: post #54

DreamHost is probably going to lose. The warrant is actually quite standard. Basically the DOJ is just grabbing everything so they can filter through the comments and logs at their convenience. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...

In the physical world, the government can search only one apartment in an apartment building with a single warrant; it can’t search the entire apartment building. Are the collective records of a website more like an apartment building or a single apartment?

If this is the reasoning they're going then yes, Dreamhost is out of luck. One account is pretty obviously an apartment on a server (building) with the website being an even smaller part than that.

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Post by wildmusings »

EGreg wrote: post #27
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #5

Why is a political organization retaining any info that isn't the minimum to do their job? It's not like both sides haven't been trying to get their enemies membership lists for the past 100+yr.

Oh you mean like this? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/06/19... And people still say they are worried about voting from an app with cryptography.

The media hoopla around that story was largely Fake News. Everything in that database was taken from public records. The only value of the database is the painstaking work of making all of those public record requests to the thousands of jurisdictions in the United States, and then merging and cleaning up the data. But several organizations have done it at this point and all a leak would do is potentially cause those organizations to lose money or competitive advantage against organizations without that data.

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Post by knieveltech »

sergiotapia wrote: post #72

The alt-left are dangerous but Dreamhost should resist until all legal channels are exhausted. Checks and balances!

What alt-left? Are you referring to community defense groups trying to protect their communities from Nazis? Dangerous to whom?

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Post by sergiotapia »

krath94 wrote: post #66

Sorry, but antifa is more than Anti-Trump Activists, they are dangerous. They attack people for political reasons and are largely unpunished because they wear all black and wear masks. They are the clowns that started fires in berkeley and hit the Trump support in the head with a bike lock, causing a fractured skull. That's no good imo.

Correct.

Pardon the source but I just searched for "antifa knife" and copied the first link: http://bigleaguepolitics.com/man-stabbed-antifa-mob-outside-...

The alt-left is getting bolder and more dangerous.

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