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Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by gertef »

scierama wrote: post #52
gremlinsinc wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By putting people in 'groups' and having those who support him also enforce this idea that we're all in separate groups and need to look out for own little group--this is how fascism grows, this is how hitler took over Germany, this is how a new Hitler figure could take over America too... It's not outside the realm of possibility sure Germans in 1900 couldn't forsee the horrors of 1940. Here's a good video from 1947…

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/04/thernstrom.identity.p... Then, I guess Trump learned from the best.

Pushing a diverse melting pot isn't the same as forcing for white supremacy.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by Consultant32452 »

orclev wrote: post #65
Consultant32452 wrote: post #49

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A neo-Nazi killed someone and Trump's first response was to condemn all hate and violence. Was that some sort of secrete white supremacist code that meant hate and violence from neo-Nazis is totes cool? Is that seriously your narrative?

The problem is that his first reaction was to basically say both sides were equally wrong. In this context the two sides where A) neo-nazis and white supremacists, and B) counter protestors who were there to oppose the neo-nazis and white supremacists. This was not a BLM rally, this was an alt-right rally. There might have been some BLM members there, there might even have been some antifa there, but the majority of…

I'll reiterate myself because it apparently wasn't clear the first time. I agree with your stance. The appropriate thing to do would have been to explicitly call out the group whose violence escalated the highest. But to pretend this is the first of this type of incident is a lie. And to pretend that other groups that lean left have not had politically motivated violence and murder recently is also a lie. I welcome you and the media to the side of wanting to explicitly call out the groups with the bad actors. If you and the media had an equal and opposite response when BLM killed cops and called for the POTUS to explicitly call out BLM, I'd have nothing to say here.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by matt4077 »

davidreiss wrote: post #58
matt4077 wrote: post #4

Matt Levine says it best: "[..] but I have to confess that it seems odd to me to denounce Nazism out of fealty to shareholder value. You can just denounce Nazism because you're not a Nazi! This is a financial newsletter, but I have never assumed that the operations of capital are autonomous and self-executing, or that executives are robots who are programmed to maximize shareholder value to the exclusion of all other…

Is there a reason for the love that some on HN have for Matt Levine? Seems like every finance related topic brings up matt levine. > Matt Levine says it best: Is that the really best?

He's both smart and witty. He rarely just states an opinion, but usually concerns himself with subjects where he struggles to believe something with absolute certainty, and instead readily gives the best argument for each side of an argument. He also appears to be a Mensch.

In this case, I chose him because his Goldman Sachs credentials make it impossible to dismiss him as some sort of far-left Antifa lunatic, and because he's making a good case for moral responsibility in business. A case that is widely accepted among actual business leadership, but somehow still stymies the HN crowd, where the shareholder-above-anything folklore was absolutely certain to make an appearance.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by HeroOfAges »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #27
corporateslave3 wrote: post #12

The weird part is they arent doing it for political reasons, this is to protect the image of their corporation. But we havent been told that. There is so much obfuscation of the truth in politics, I am constantly amazed and dismayed at the same time.

It's definitely political posturing/virtue signaling to customers. The big gripe is that Trump didn't explicitly call out white supremacists when denouncing hate and violence. The Sheriff explicitly stated that there was violent escalation from both the white supremacists and the antifa crowd. A single member of the white racist asshole group escalated the violence to the next level and someone got killed. I'm on boa…

Why do people continue to associate Micah Xavier Johnson with Black Lives Matter? He himself stated he was not affiliated with any movements or groups. Why? Well... I know why, but can someone please point me to any documented proof that Micah Xavier Johnson was an active member of Black Lives Matter?

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Post by gertef »

davidreiss wrote: post #70
eggpy wrote: post #26

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'so-called judges' is a terrifying precedent...

So-called judges once ruled that blacks were property rather than human. We have a long history of "so-called judged". Go read about what lincoln felt about judges.

Disagreeing but obeying with a decision is quite different from denying judicial authority.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...

"Supreme Court opinions decide only the individual case before the court, Lincoln argued. They do not bind members of Congress or the President in their political actions. It was thus proper for the other branches of government — and for the people — to resist wrong and harmful decisions of the Supreme Court and to seek to have them reversed and overturned. That was simply part of the Constitution’s system of checks and balances. …"

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by dmode »

gertef wrote: post #68
dmode wrote: post #53

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Here are some specific things that Trump has done that are very similar to Hitler: 1. Created a narrative via dog whistles that white folks are actual victims in this country in the hands of minorities, immigrants, BLM etc. A strong undercurrent of "us" vs. "them" narrative. As a result a significant portion of Republicans believe that white people are more discriminated in this country 2. Undermined free press with…

Sinclair was well into its takeover before Trump took office.

Here's a great article on NYT on the Sinclair situation

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/politics/how-a-conserv...

Here's the key quote "The moves, which include easing a cap on how many stations a broadcaster can own, have opened up lucrative opportunities for Mr. Smith, among them a $3.9 billion bid to buy Tribune Media, another large owner of stations."

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by gertef »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #59
orclev wrote: post #56

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Nazis were not socialists, that was optics. The Nazi party actually got into power in a reaction to an attack that was blamed on communists (burning of the reichstag). Whether it was actually communists, or a false flag by the Nazis to seize power is an ongoing debate without enough evidence either way. What is a matter of record is that the very first thing the Nazis did after seizing power was to round up all the c…

Communists were globalist socialists and the Nazis were nationalist socialists. Hitler went after the communists because he felt they wanted to subjugate Germans under an international Jewish global finance regime (1%ers again).

And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a "Democratic" "Republic".

Don't believe everything everyone says about themselves.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by mattcaldwell »

gertef wrote: post #68
dmode wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are some specific things that Trump has done that are very similar to Hitler: 1. Created a narrative via dog whistles that white folks are actual victims in this country in the hands of minorities, immigrants, BLM etc. A strong undercurrent of "us" vs. "them" narrative. As a result a significant portion of Republicans believe that white people are more discriminated in this country 2. Undermined free press with…

Sinclair was well into its takeover before Trump took office.

Oh, well. I guess it's all fine then.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by HeroOfAges »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #72
orclev wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that his first reaction was to basically say both sides were equally wrong. In this context the two sides where A) neo-nazis and white supremacists, and B) counter protestors who were there to oppose the neo-nazis and white supremacists. This was not a BLM rally, this was an alt-right rally. There might have been some BLM members there, there might even have been some antifa there, but the majority of…

I'll reiterate myself because it apparently wasn't clear the first time. I agree with your stance. The appropriate thing to do would have been to explicitly call out the group whose violence escalated the highest. But to pretend this is the first of this type of incident is a lie. And to pretend that other groups that lean left have not had politically motivated violence and murder recently is also a lie. I welcome y…

This is the second time in this discussion that you've referred to Black Lives Matter as an organization that kills or has directed the killing of law enforcement officers. Can you present documented proof?

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by actsasbuffoon »

davidreiss wrote: post #60
empath75 wrote: post #33

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I am willing to entertain the idea that the ceos of large corporations are also decent human beings.

Wasn't there a study that said CEOs tend to be overrepresented in the sociopathetic personality? CEOs of large corporations have no problem doing business with china or israel or russia or any other questionable locations.

More likely than the population at large, but it’s still a minority of CEOs who are sociopaths.
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