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Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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I feel Google cornered itself into this pickle. On the one hand they need to grow their pool of talent and make the non majority to feel comfortable --which makes those not in the majority feel they have more than average support from Management, who in turn turn a blind eye to anti-majority bashing.

On the other going above and beyond for underrepresented groups will eventually grate against the majority when they ham-fistedly overcorrect.

This engineer likely got a nice severance or will get his due in court. Seriously, you don't fire someone for having a non milquetoast opinion.

I mean, I expect this heavy handedness from a Walmart but not from a Google. There are other more finessed ways to get your corp culture disseminated.

Off topic, but not having a union allows Google to fire these offensive employees, unlike School districts who must retain people who grind their own little axes.

Re: Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

#72
We should be able to apply security technologies to online discourse. Theoretically it should be possible to separate real identity from virtual identity: maybe I publish a bunch of stuff in such a way that no one can ever figure out who I am but anyone can verify that a series of different comments/articles/etc. were all made by the same person. Then you could decide to follow people who publish things that interest you without having any feasible way to identify them (you can’t fire them, you can’t meet them, etc.).

Re: Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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Good. I get that HN is not into this, but this employee stated, bluntly, that they don't believe many of their colleagues should be there because of their sex. Every peer review, every no-hire, every interaction , is and should be suspect. Happy where I am now, but future interviews will include me asking what management would do about this, and termination is the only correct answer. This is textbook hostile environ…

he never said that. i've seen your take repeated by others. all he was saying is that maybe the 'natural' balance of women/men in tech isn't 50/50. he said nothing about those who made it into the company.

people like you, who can't understand simple arguments, are what got him fired.

Re: Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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post #31

Fun fact: the author of the memo earned a PhD in Biology from Harvard. Google can fire him and get away with it, but it's going to be tough, very tough, for him to be falsely characterized as someone who is misinformed or unscientific. And the court of public opinion may well be more important in this controversy than any court of law.

When I was in academia there was no shortage of my peers with PhDs in physics who were very religious. Having a PhD in a science is not proof against having misinformed or unscientific views.

Re: Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

#75

He's a good man. I'm sorry to hear google is such a hypocritical company. They preach "tolerance" and yet destroy those who fall out of line from their ideology. They'd make great commies. As for James, I'm sure he'll be able to find a better job. There are still a lot of people in this country with their heads on right. I think I'm going to go as google free as possible now. What's the best alternative to Gmail?

> He's a good man.

Why do you say that?

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#77

I haven't read the memo but I have read some summaries of it. Even before the memo was released I had a negative opinion of it. Not because someone spoke out their mind but because someone decided to just go and shout out their obviously controversial beliefs to the world expecting for his ideas to be taken seriously and for there to be no negative consequences. If you want people to care about what you think and hav…

Other commenter here said he has a PhD in Biology from Harvard. I think it should give him some credit about what he said.

Re: Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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An excellent opportunity to re-read PG's essay, "What You Can't Say". [1] "What scares me is that there are moral fashions too. They're just as arbitrary, and just as invisible to most people. But they're much more dangerous. Fashion is mistaken for good design; moral fashion is mistaken for good. Dressing oddly gets you laughed at. Violating moral fashions can get you fired, ostracized, imprisoned, or even killed."…

This isn't an issue of "fashion" or "opinion". It's an issue of whether the guy is right or wrong, and if he's wrong[1] whether or not he's caused damage to his employer[2], and if that is true whether it is a firing offense[3]. You don't get to avoid discussion[4] about those subtitled points by retreating to some kind of invented safe space here. Out with it. Is he right? [1] He is. [2] He has. [3] It is. [4] Yeah,…

Point 2 and 3 are independent from point 1. He is completely right on the factual merits; stop with the science denialism.

Re: Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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post #31

Fun fact: the author of the memo earned a PhD in Biology from Harvard. Google can fire him and get away with it, but it's going to be tough, very tough, for him to be falsely characterized as someone who is misinformed or unscientific. And the court of public opinion may well be more important in this controversy than any court of law.

Seems similar to what happened with Larry Summers - also affiliated with Harvard. http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/1/14/summers-comments...

Re: Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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The author's arguments have been completely misrepresented. He pointed out widely-believed and sometimes scientifically-established differences in the DISTRIBUTION OF traits in men and women. He said that those differences make attempts to achieve numerical parity misguided, discriminatory, and harmful. What is his conclusion about how we should behave? "Treat people as individuals, not as just another member of thei…

> He said that those differences make attempts to achieve numerical parity misguided, discriminatory, and harmful.

No, he said quite clearly that Google was hiring too many women and minorities (and also that said women and minorities suck at tech jobs, though not in so many words). It's the specifics of the argument that got him in trouble. Bland abstract stuff like you paraphrase above wouldn't get anyone fired.

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