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Re: How the NSA tracks people [video]

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Post by londons_explore »

Sephr wrote: post #67

Bill mentions that the current solutions are much more expansive, so it seems very likely that the NSA uses a private Google Cloud Video Intelligence[1] installation with TPUs in combination with their current iteration of TREASUREMAP. This would enable the NSA to search based on scene descriptions of likely crimes and get government-ID tagging with GPS. This would serve as an effective filtering system and increase…

>very likely that the NSA uses a private Google Cloud Video Intelligence[1] installation with TPU

Nope.

Re: How the NSA tracks people [video]

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Post by type0 »

Bartweiss wrote: post #57
neves wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the ignorance, but whats the problem with CCC pages?

Nothing inherent - the CCC is a great organization. But it's already come out that searching for Tails or Tor can set off NSA flags, so I was pointing out that reading Chaos Computer Club accounts of NSA surveillance practices sounds like another likely way to be flagged.

> Chaos Computer Club accounts of NSA surveillance practices sounds like another likely way to be flagged.

It sure is, meaning that a privacy conscious person is not a friend of a government and needs to be held in check. It's also quite disturbing that NSA is surveilling political parties around the World to excerpt pressure on them and to get geopolitical and economic influence.

Re: How the NSA tracks people [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

londons_explore wrote: post #71
Sephr wrote: post #67

Bill mentions that the current solutions are much more expansive, so it seems very likely that the NSA uses a private Google Cloud Video Intelligence[1] installation with TPUs in combination with their current iteration of TREASUREMAP. This would enable the NSA to search based on scene descriptions of likely crimes and get government-ID tagging with GPS. This would serve as an effective filtering system and increase…

>very likely that the NSA uses a private Google Cloud Video Intelligence[1] installation with TPU Nope.

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Re: How the NSA tracks people [video]

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Post by willstrafach »

Sephr wrote: post #67

Bill mentions that the current solutions are much more expansive, so it seems very likely that the NSA uses a private Google Cloud Video Intelligence[1] installation with TPUs in combination with their current iteration of TREASUREMAP. This would enable the NSA to search based on scene descriptions of likely crimes and get government-ID tagging with GPS. This would serve as an effective filtering system and increase…

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean to imply here, or how it relates to likely crimes and GPS tagging. Could you elaborate?

Additionally, I am not sure how TREASUREMAP relates to the rest of your comment, as TREASUREMAP is essentially Shodan with more datasets included based on publicly available, commercially available, and collected data.

EDIT: Watching video now and I understand your interpretation of TREASUREMAP...this is bizarre...he appears to believe it is something else entirely. Here is the full presentation he referenced for context though (Warning: TS/SI): https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1301057/tm-m-402....

Re: How the NSA tracks people [video]

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Post by willstrafach »

FlashGit wrote: post #12
Simon_says wrote: post #3

How is Bill Binney still walking around a free man? Surely he had security clearances and made an oath not to break them. Is it just that he's riding a fine line and not disclosing classified information?

I didn't watch the whole thing just jumped around but he has included slides that are marked 'SECRET//NOFORN' so if that material is accurately classified at that level (and its disclosure was not authorized), well he probably shouldn't be presenting to that. Of course whether those slides would cause 'serious damage' to national security is a whole other matter or maybe it was 'authorized'.

All classified slides shown were from Snowden. One unclassified (but marked "Law Enforcement Sensitive") slide is from elsewhere.

Re: How the NSA tracks people [video]

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Post by contingencies »

jancsika wrote: post #53

Here's something that pops in my head every time Binney comes up, but I've never quite articulated it... Let's just assume for the moment that outcome X is good while outcome Y is bad. (I know most people wouldn't agree with that as applied to the NSA's history of wide-net surveillance, but just stick with me...) You design a system that technically delivers outcome X. It could technically deliver outcome Y, but you…

Yes, there is a lesson there for all of us. For a quick (~4 hour) recent computer game on the same subject (very well executed, IMHO) check out Orwell: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13549725

Re: How the NSA tracks people [video]

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Post by willstrafach »

felon123 wrote: post #23

What I don't understand is with such capabilities, why weren't Michelle carters texts flagged? Or the heather Mack texts/fb messages. Or the texts revolving around the death of Tim piazza at penn state? If the capability to save these people was there, why wasn't it exercised?

Their analysts cannot query on US Person Information, so unless this was discussed in foreign-to-foreign communications, flagging would not be possible.

Re: How the NSA tracks people [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

Bartweiss wrote: post #57
neves wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the ignorance, but whats the problem with CCC pages?

Nothing inherent - the CCC is a great organization. But it's already come out that searching for Tails or Tor can set off NSA flags, so I was pointing out that reading Chaos Computer Club accounts of NSA surveillance practices sounds like another likely way to be flagged.

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Re: How the NSA tracks people [video]

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Post by Sephr »

Sephr wrote: post #67

Bill mentions that the current solutions are much more expansive, so it seems very likely that the NSA uses a private Google Cloud Video Intelligence[1] installation with TPUs in combination with their current iteration of TREASUREMAP. This would enable the NSA to search based on scene descriptions of likely crimes and get government-ID tagging with GPS. This would serve as an effective filtering system and increase…

Actually, I may be thinking of another program other than TREASUREMAP.

Re: How the NSA tracks people [video]

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Post by ge96 »

type0 wrote: post #68
ge96 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I often address the NSA by microphone, I doubt they pay attention to me though. I'm just like "Hey NSA, monitoring my "steps"" haha as I try to start a fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g16InStip5k

"I address them to myself"

Is that the relevant part? Haha

I am a mere peasant worthless dumb and powerless. Another gusano.

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