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NSA Unlawfully Surveiled Kim Dotcom in New Zealand

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Re: NSA Unlawfully Surveiled Kim Dotcom in New Zealand

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Post by syshum »

logfromblammo wrote: post #51
syshum wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be, the US Constitution should apply to government actions ANYWHERE not just actions on US Soil, the US Constitution was never designed to be geographically limited, it was designed to limit what the government was allowed to do, period, in all cases in all lands, everywhere Sadly the US Court Systems has stated it does not have the authority to apply the Constitution to the US Government when the US Govern…

If the IRS can collect taxes from expatriate US citizens living and working overseas, the federal courts can certainly prosecute US citizens for breaking other federal laws while abroad. Otherwise, those people might as well wipe their backsides with their Form 2555s and mail them back without checks attached!

The courts have no problem enforcing many many criminal laws on people even when the crimes occur over seas

They just have a problem applying the law to the government when the actions are over seas..

Nice little loop hole they carved out for themselves...

Re: NSA Unlawfully Surveiled Kim Dotcom in New Zealand

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Post by xkiwi »

Zorlag wrote: post #52

Before you sympathize with this man. He ripped of tons of people with a subscription scam in Germany a couple of years ago. Before that he got a sentence for insider trades. He is a criminal alright.

>He ripped of tons of people with a subscription scam in Germany a couple of years ago.

Can you provide a source relate to the subscription scam?

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors… and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

Re: NSA Unlawfully Surveiled Kim Dotcom in New Zealand

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Post by will_brown »

freshhawk wrote: post #66
will_brown wrote: post #64

As long as the US wastes tax payer dollars doing investigations and enforcement of Hollywood copyrights, I'd like to see them pay some dumb as agent to do a comparison of the total number of copyright violations on YouTube vs the total number of copyright violations on Mega servers. For fun they could do a comparison of the number of copyright complaints both YouTube and Mega received and the number of those complain…

But is it a waste? The export of American values through their media is an incredibly powerful tool. Ignoring their goals and values, which I disagree with, the tactics and strategy make complete logical sense. There is a reason that military agencies get to edit scripts before they allow the use of their resources in movies and it's not because they're stupid people.

>The export of American values through their media is an incredibly powerful tool.

If American made media is such a powerful tool you think American tax payer dollars would go to something like Mega maximizing distribution of American values through this media, rather than spending (tax payer) money to limit the distribution of said American values.

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Post by derefr »

wildmusings wrote: post #39
1024core wrote: post #16

Since when did the NSA become the copyright industry's police? There were no security implications of Kim's operation; why was he targeted by the NSA?

The US intelligence apparatus exists to protect the interests of the citizens of the United States. A foreigner who violates millions of dollars of intellectual property belonging to American citizens and companies is a threat to our interests, and also of the interests of the nearly 200 nations that participate in the global copyright regime, whose copyrights he was also violating. Foreigners on foreign soil have no…

> Foreigners on foreign soil have no rights as far as US law is concerned.

Except for, you know, treaty rights. Which there are a lot of.

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Post by peter422 »

moomin wrote: post #59
jonknee wrote: post #44

The only mention of NSA seems to come from Kim... His logic appears to be that as a Five Eyes member the NSA and GCSB have some shared resources and that means the NSA used those resources to spy on him. That might be true, but he has no evidence that the NSA cares one bit about him. I seriously doubt the NSA was tasked with working a non-terrorism related piracy case, but that's me. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.c…

Worth pointing out at this point that Kim is a heavily-documented liar. If he told me the sky was blue, I'd go outside to check.

Don't worry, he has been meticulously collecting evidence and can prove everything! Unfortunately he can't post it just yet, but he'll definitely post it soon! Maybe next week! Or next month! But it's gonna be huge!!!

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Post by nerpderp83 »

will_brown wrote: post #75
freshhawk wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is it a waste? The export of American values through their media is an incredibly powerful tool. Ignoring their goals and values, which I disagree with, the tactics and strategy make complete logical sense. There is a reason that military agencies get to edit scripts before they allow the use of their resources in movies and it's not because they're stupid people.

>The export of American values through their media is an incredibly powerful tool. If American made media is such a powerful tool you think American tax payer dollars would go to something like Mega maximizing distribution of American values through this media, rather than spending (tax payer) money to limit the distribution of said American values.

Voice of America. See also military censorship of military resources used in movies.

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Post by geomark »

slg wrote: post #67
quirkot wrote: post #57

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> someone who created a business enterprise to circumvent US law Kinda like Uber? rim shot But I'm still kinda serious. Your whole comment works if you swtich "pirated content" for "unlicensed, unregistered taxi service"

If you truly wanted to dig through my comment history, you would find numerous posts criticizing Uber and AirBnb for basically establishing businesses on ignoring the law. However there is still a difference between feigning ignorance of the law and turning your middle finger up at it like Kim Dotcom did.

That are a vast number of laws that are designed to enrich one party at the expense of another. They are nearly always portrayed by the captured regulators as being for the safety of the citizenry when actually they are primarily for the purpose of enriching themselves and their cronies. One could argue that it is every citizen's duty to circumvent or directly violate those laws in the interest of fairness to all citizens. One could go further and assert that supporting such laws is immoral since as a result many people lose freedom of choice, freedom of speech, freedom to associate or move about, have reduced access to knowledge and opportunities, and the list goes on.

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Post by nerpderp83 »

toyg wrote: post #35
cavanasm wrote: post #20

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I'm not sure they are, they're just not nearly as public. Kim Dotcom is / was notoriously boastful about his actions, and all the money he made off those actions. I've never heard similar things about the founders of any other file hosting service founder/owner that is well known for piracy. Makes him an incredibly appealing target I think.

Same as PirateBay, which made its name when they publicly replied to copyright enforcement letters with insults. Refusing to be humbled by established authorities is the real crime, because it corrodes their legitimacy and hence their whole existence. It's a bit like being homosexual in countries with harsh state-religions but tolerant attitudes: keep it quiet and nobody will bother you, but if you flaunt it then the…

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