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Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by fakerobotgamer »

msimpson wrote: post #56
jchw wrote: post #44

Personally I could care less. It's a gag that I'm sure some people do find amusing. But their response is what gets me. Boo hoo, free speech is dead because you don't want ostencibly-pedophilic jokes associated with your software. I say if you're committed to an off-color joke or gag, this is a terrible attempt to save face. Just apologize with authenticity and go more subtle. Don't turn it into another *gate or what…

> I say if you're committed to an off-color joke or gag, this is a terrible attempt to save face. Just apologize with authenticity and go more subtle. Don't turn it into another *gate or whatever the hell. Exactly, and this is so obviously a troll. Look at the original feature request to even add the mirror: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/51870 You can see Pritz's hesitation at using "cuntflaps.me" as a mirror and h…

alucard.... is dracula spelled backwards..............

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by jkg78i689 »

jchw wrote: post #44

Personally I could care less. It's a gag that I'm sure some people do find amusing. But their response is what gets me. Boo hoo, free speech is dead because you don't want ostencibly-pedophilic jokes associated with your software. I say if you're committed to an off-color joke or gag, this is a terrible attempt to save face. Just apologize with authenticity and go more subtle. Don't turn it into another *gate or what…

FYI it's "could not care less".

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by RaleyField »

The email of the author comes from a domain where one can find this gem on one of subpages:

"Unless its some illegal faggot shit, I will always store your loli pics, anon."[1]

I don't appreciate people putting their personalities (whether I generally appreciate their personality or not) into software. The project you are creating is, or should be, an intellectual endeavor and it serves no technical purpose to push your personality onto users. What's more, it lessens your credibility - if you don't understand not to put your personality into your project then I question what bigger mistakes you are making as well. It's the same reason I wouldn't trust savings to a banker wearing a clown costume, it's not about me hating clowns, they can be a clown in private all they want, just don't make a clown out of your own software.

[1]https://safe.moe/faq

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by cholantesh »

DanBC wrote: post #67
jakobegger wrote: post #38

some people who contribute to open source projects are really nice and considerate people, and some are dicks. When someone makes significant contributions, people tolerate a bit of dickish behavior and shrug it of as the behavior of a slightly eccentric genius. But for everyone else, people won’t put up with your shit. If you want people to accept your contributions, be nice, and don’t be a dick.

> When someone makes significant contributions, people tolerate a bit of dickish behavior Sometimes known as "vested contributor". This is a problem people need to be aware of. It's probably a bad idea to tolerate poor behaviour. http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/VestedContributor

Or a 'high performer'.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by ioquatix »

ferbivore wrote: post #64
ioquatix wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> some people who contribute to open source projects are really nice and considerate people, and some are vaginas. When someone makes significant contributions, people tolerate a bit of vaginaish behavior and shrug it of as the behavior of a slightly eccentric genius. But for everyone else, people won’t put up with your shit. If you want people to accept your contributions, be nice, and don’t be a vagina.

We typically use the word "cunt", since "vagina" doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

If you are looking for an inclusive gender-neutral variant, "ass" is probably the best. Although I tend to avoid such language in general as it comes across as immature and detracts from an otherwise valid argument. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I'm also for inclusive language. My satirical response was really just to draw attention to that.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by PrimHelios »

ioquatix wrote: post #75
ferbivore wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We typically use the word "cunt", since "vagina" doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

If you are looking for an inclusive gender-neutral variant, "ass" is probably the best. Although I tend to avoid such language in general as it comes across as immature and detracts from an otherwise valid argument. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I'm also for inclusive language. My satirical response was really just to draw attention to that.

"Cunt" is pretty gender-neutral. I don't think I've met a single person who uses it exclusively for men or women.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by Foxboron »

zimpenfish wrote: post #10
JadeNB wrote: post #2

Is this anything but a fit of pique on the part of the maintainer of the mirror? It seems that the maintainer is mainly saying "because I have done many good things, no-one is allowed to complain about anything I do." It seemed that the notification was polite and professional, and made very clear that it involved no personal judgement, only a response to user demand. (The free-speech issue seems to be a red herring;…

To be honest, if I was the Arch people, I'd boot him from the project just for the ridiculous self-preening nature of that email. And also for calling himself "Alucard". (This is why I'm not in charge of things, mind.)

It's a random person offering to host a mirror. He isn't affiliated, and havent contribute in any other way to the project. There is nothing to boot here.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by snvzz »

RaleyField wrote: post #73

The email of the author comes from a domain where one can find this gem on one of subpages: "Unless its some illegal faggot shit, I will always store your loli pics, anon."[1] I don't appreciate people putting their personalities (whether I generally appreciate their personality or not) into software. The project you are creating is, or should be, an intellectual endeavor and it serves no technical purpose to push yo…

>The project you are creating is, or should be, an intellectual endeavor and it serves no technical purpose to push your personality onto users.

Plenty will find that attitude offensive. Like, who do you think you are telling people what their project should be.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by ionised »

PrimHelios wrote: post #76
ioquatix wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are looking for an inclusive gender-neutral variant, "ass" is probably the best. Although I tend to avoid such language in general as it comes across as immature and detracts from an otherwise valid argument. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I'm also for inclusive language. My satirical response was really just to draw attention to that.

"Cunt" is pretty gender-neutral. I don't think I've met a single person who uses it exclusively for men or women.

The gender-specificity of 'cunt' seems to be exclusively a US thing.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by konart »

JadeNB wrote: post #59
konart wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me?

> So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me? At least in my original post, a key part of my argument is that no-one is requiring alucard to change the name of the mirror. The only question is whether the mirror will be listed . Thus, I think it is analogous to asking…

>The only question is whether the mirror will be listed. >I would remove a link to ycombinator.com from a page I controlled

Let me reword this then. Why should an entity remove something from their listings when the offended entity can remove it from the local listing on its machine? The thing is - in the first case we are talking about public lists available for everybody. Why should the majority of users be left without and additional source of distribution (for example)?

But yes, obviously it's up to Arch maintainers wether they want this to be there or not.

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