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An introduction to Stoic philosophy and resilience-building [video]

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Re: An introduction to Stoic philosophy and resilience-building [video]

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>like bodybuilding, nootropics, hackathons and life-hacks, it presents rigid, rationalized mastery of the self as both desirable and achievable. This is a good observation. It reminds me of some kind of digital protestantism on steroids. The same kind of displayed humility, work obsession and so forth. I think it's very self-aggrandising in a way.

So you want to live “according to nature?” Oh, you noble Stoics, what a fraud is in this phrase! Imagine something like nature, profligate without measure, indifferent without measure, without purpose and regard, without mercy and justice, fertile and barren and uncertain at the same time, think of indifference itself as power – how could you live according to this indifference? Living – isn’t that wanting specifical…

This seems like a critique of what I would regard as Stoicism "taken too far."

The most helpful parts of Stoicism for me are understanding and accepting that awful things might happen I can't do anything about, the hedonic treadmill exists and a little more money, a car, a speedboat, or whatever I currently desire probably won't make me happy in the long term.

If I spend a week or a month in tatters over something minor, I can learn to adjust myself rather than trying to change the world to fix my own head. Long-term happiness is a mixture of changing the world to fit my goals and changing my goals and what I demand from it to fit the world - to learn that I cannot get everything I want.

Where I disagree with Stoicism is the ideas that my goal should be to optimize myself to some sort of perfection, and that I can ever have perfect control over myself mentally. My thoughts themselves live inside a biological brain which is affected by its construction, genetics, hormones, and many other physical influences. Beyond this, the idea that any specific thing must be the moral goal of all persons seems, as it is put here, like a gross presumption. But I never went in that far to the philosophy.

What does strike me, though, is your identification of various "self-improvement" techniques together under the Stoic banner - I've recently been confronting aspects of my personality in that sense and it made me jump a bit to read your description - it makes me think there is a bit of "There" there I should reconsider.

Re: An introduction to Stoic philosophy and resilience-building [video]

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One of the best books I ever read was from a dude named Seneca (a stoic Roman philosopher). The book is called On the Shortness of Life: Life is Long if You Know How to Use it[0]. [0]: http://amzn.to/2klxZky

I suggest reading its twin On the Happy Life, as well as Letters to Lucilius.

Thanks. I haven't heard of On the Happy Life before. Letters to Lucilius is on my list but I haven't gotten to it yet.

Re: An introduction to Stoic philosophy and resilience-building [video]

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Why is Stoicism the philosophical flavor of the month amongst tech people?

Brainstorming some ideas. The name. 'Stoic' sounds cool. ('Ubermensch' just doesn't sound good. (Ahem. Was tempted to write "sounds like a Jewish thing".) It's reassuring for those who feel they have no real control over their lives. A strong resonance with a puritan loathing for the impure world. Apatheia is the emotion for the modern world. Edit: the four fold cure of Epicureanism is too easy: Don't fear the gods,…

To be honest, I find Nietzsche more inspirational and life changing that the Stoics (of course, I'm more familiar with Nietzsche).
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