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Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Hotz is quoted as saying in the article, "there are only three real competitors: Waymo, Tesla and us." That's total bullshit. There are so many companies seriously working on autonomous vehicles, such as GM Cruise, Auroa Innovation, Drive.ai, Zoox, Nuro.ai, nuTonomy, Varden Labs, AImotive, Ford, and Nvidia Edit, because George is on here: George, I want to like you, because I think your tech is really good (the stree…

You forgot Intel, Microsoft and Apple

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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My (not GP) issue with him comes from all his whining over the NHTSA stuff. You can't talk about how easy the problem is and how much better you are, and then fold when safety regulators show up. That to me says that he may be incredible at building things, but doesn't know how to take it the last mile. Sure, you can argue against the regulation, but I for one think that self driving cars should have strict safety re…

fold? he did the exact opposite of "fold" he released the hardware plans, specs, and software as opensource. You can go build it, today. And if you have a supported car (currently certain honda civics, and accura ILX's.. soon honda crv, toyota prius, and chevy bolt/volt) you can actually use it, today. There are videos on youtube of people doing exactly that. Changing your business model, is IMO.. the opposite of fol…

He threw a tantrum on twitter to save face. If you want to admire him for his hacking efforts that's one thing (and honestly I don't even agree with that for his work on self-driving cars), but he hasn't done much to build a business yet.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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He managed to do 20% and spins it as 70% claiming he'll be at 100% before everybody else. It worked for Cruise. Got them a billion dollars and a seat on GM's board.

Hmm it seemed to me their product was way more advanced than commaai One product.

Cruise had lane following and smart cruise control, which everybody in the industry has and can be bought as an option on many high-end cars right now. They hyped this heavily and GM bought it.

That was surprising, because GM had a good self-driving effort with CMU, and had progressed to driving in Washington DC traffic autonomously.[1] That was way ahead of Cruise, and working in 2013. Then, somehow, GM totally blew it and lost that project, with the people going elsewhere.

[1] https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2013/september/sep...

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Hmm it seemed to me their product was way more advanced than commaai One product.

Cruise had lane following and smart cruise control, which everybody in the industry has and can be bought as an option on many high-end cars right now. They hyped this heavily and GM bought it. That was surprising, because GM had a good self-driving effort with CMU, and had progressed to driving in Washington DC traffic autonomously.[1] That was way ahead of Cruise, and working in 2013. Then, somehow, GM totally blew…

Hmm indeed the fluff was deep then

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Disagree. I've a friend that has a comma neo with openpilot and it works enough well. Is not perfect, but they are on something. The best projects that we know today were made by hackers with 0 enterprise skills.

This is not a nodejs template system.

This is a depressing comment. I'm assuming the parent comment is talking about GNU, Linux, the variety of userspace software from Unix times... not node.js template systems.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Why a dongle? The chffr app (video / nav data) + panda dongle (sensor data) is a simple way to let anybody participate in data collection, and for comma.ai to build enterprise value by accruing and organizing a gigantic data set that's critical to them or any third party executing the ML at core of self driving. Now pair this with a tweet they posted in June: "Just realized something. You are really going to be happy…

The real winner in the race to mandate OBD-II monitoring is the auto insurance industry. Sure, you could install Hotz's dongle, give Hotz your data, earn "comma points", feel like you are helping to train self driving cars, and trade these comma points for - what exactly? a comma plushie? - while Hotz turns around and sells your data to insurance companies. Or you could get a free OBD dongle directly from your curren…

Not a comma plushie. He mentioned ICO, so cryptocurrency. Which with something of value like this behind it the comma "points" (tokens?) could be worth quite a lot if you're an early adopter.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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He seems to be quite above average, the issue is the ratio hubris / math skillz still seems improperly balanced. If my sunday psychology profile is correct, he seems to be passionated and fast to hack around and displeased by big corporations business model + slowness + suboptimality. Thus trying to dig diagonally on his own without the enterprise cruft. So far so good, the issue is that it seems he's lying about his…

Disagree. I've a friend that has a comma neo with openpilot and it works enough well. Is not perfect, but they are on something. The best projects that we know today were made by hackers with 0 enterprise skills.

That's great for software that runs on your computer, it's not so great for software that runs on a car and can kill people. Regulatory bodies exist for a reason, onerous though they may be.

Edit: I'm actually curious now that I think about it. Are there any good examples of hacker projects (or specifically projects that aren't intended to make money or pay people's salaries) that had to deal with any sort of regulatory hurdles?

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Hotz is quoted as saying in the article, "there are only three real competitors: Waymo, Tesla and us." That's total bullshit. There are so many companies seriously working on autonomous vehicles, such as GM Cruise, Auroa Innovation, Drive.ai, Zoox, Nuro.ai, nuTonomy, Varden Labs, AImotive, Ford, and Nvidia Edit, because George is on here: George, I want to like you, because I think your tech is really good (the stree…

This is the guy who was supposedly just a few weeks away from shipping a bolt-on smart cruise control module, then immediately canceled the entire thing when the NHTSA asked him some questions about its safety. He seems pretty sharp when it comes to technology, but I'm not sure if he's prepared to make actual products sold to regular people.

On the contrary, he seems to the the kind of person that knows about the bureaucratic nature of NHTSA and cut his losses.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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post #55

Hotz is quoted as saying in the article, "there are only three real competitors: Waymo, Tesla and us." That's total bullshit. There are so many companies seriously working on autonomous vehicles, such as GM Cruise, Auroa Innovation, Drive.ai, Zoox, Nuro.ai, nuTonomy, Varden Labs, AImotive, Ford, and Nvidia Edit, because George is on here: George, I want to like you, because I think your tech is really good (the stree…

This is the guy who was supposedly just a few weeks away from shipping a bolt-on smart cruise control module, then immediately canceled the entire thing when the NHTSA asked him some questions about its safety. He seems pretty sharp when it comes to technology, but I'm not sure if he's prepared to make actual products sold to regular people.

"The difference is shippability"

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the guy who was supposedly just a few weeks away from shipping a bolt-on smart cruise control module, then immediately canceled the entire thing when the NHTSA asked him some questions about its safety. He seems pretty sharp when it comes to technology, but I'm not sure if he's prepared to make actual products sold to regular people.

On the contrary, he seems to the the kind of person that knows about the bureaucratic nature of NHTSA and cut his losses.

If he knew about it then why would he have even started the project? It's obvious that regulators would be involved in a project like this. I don't see how he didn't anticipate this from the start.
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