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Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by abhishivsaxena »

gumby wrote: post #53

One of the big problems of Aadhar to me is the mandatory use. I understand the terrible problems of stolen benefits, and how the card could help. But in a country as large, dispersed and disorganized as India, mandatory is a risk. Plenty of people will slip though the cracks and be unregistered. It works in a tiny country like Germany where it was built on top of other infrastructure (ID cards were introduced in the…

How come you don't know that 99% adults have Aaadhaar in India at last count? Or if you knew still decided to raise this point.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by shiven »

CommanderData wrote: post #60

These comments demonstrate how patriotism can affect ones rational and objective thinking. There are understandably benefits and convenience, however the articles focus is not that. It highlights the inherent threats to citizens individual freedoms that has somehow been missed by commentators.

Nationalism, not patriotism. The latter is fine, the former is a bloody cancer.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by aashiks »

realonedev wrote: post #66
aashiks wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can share the data with you. Actual Aadhar failure logs. Do you want them ? Give me an email.

How exactly will I believe that whatever you are sharing is not plain bs? If you are taking about the simple tricks people use in Google search to get names and numbers, then no thank you. Those are not Aadhar failure logs, those are human errors

These are not google search numbers, but via a publicly exposed API with no protection.

Seeing as it is that you have no faith in anyone but the UIDAI, I fail to see any point in disclosing anything further. The offer still stands though.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by flak48 »

realonedev wrote: post #28

I belong to the third world of the third world. State called Uttar Pradesh. If you consider India as 3rd world, then UP is 3rd world of India. Here are the emotional benefits of Aadhar : My parents don't have to bribe the local gas connections distribution agents. Which means, No need to stay in long queue from 8 In the morning, not to get your cooking cylinder, but to pay the bribe. Since the government has advertis…

>Not many these so called privacy and human rights activists stood up then.

The current PM Modi himself criticized it then : https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/453543852175925248?l...

Coincidence?

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by schoen »

abhishivsaxena wrote: post #63
schoen wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Aadhaar is fundamentally different than a National ID which every other country in this world has. Not the United States! Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card... seems to suggest national IDs are voluntary in 15 countries, nonexistent in 9, and mandatory in 82. One thing that seems possibly significant is that six of the non-mandatory ones include the entirety of the "Anglosphere". htt…

Aadhaar has the same data that your US birth certificate has. Name/DOB/gender/Address-if-available. Unless I'm mistaken everyone in US has a Birth Certificate. EDIT IN RESPONSE TO YOUR EDIT An birth certificate is also an ID. There's no rational reason of being proud of not having a national ID, when you have mandatory birth registrations and birth certificates. If anything Aadhaar store less information than your BC…

Birth certificates don't contain biometrics [edit: I guess some hospitals include a newborn's footprints] and may not contain address in some states; the address is also never updated (nor is the name in case of name changes). They also aren't issued by the national government and are kept in databases at the state level -- sometimes on paper.

I don't believe there are any national standards for what data a birth certificate must contain.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by shiven »

abhishivsaxena wrote: post #71
gumby wrote: post #53

One of the big problems of Aadhar to me is the mandatory use. I understand the terrible problems of stolen benefits, and how the card could help. But in a country as large, dispersed and disorganized as India, mandatory is a risk. Plenty of people will slip though the cracks and be unregistered. It works in a tiny country like Germany where it was built on top of other infrastructure (ID cards were introduced in the…

How come you don't know that 99% adults have Aaadhaar in India at last count? Or if you knew still decided to raise this point.

Where are you getting the 99% number? Any proof of that?

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by it_learnses »

aub3bhat wrote: post #6

This is ridiculous fearmongering at a scale unseen before, given the enormous amount of corruption in Indian public distribution schemes, Aadhar has potential to be revolutionary in not only reducing corruption but also in providing poor people in India with assistance that they currently lack. Its easy to be a rich and employed in SF and pontificate about how other countries should run their government. Mozilla is e…

I don't understand why you're so pissed off rather than arguing logically.

>Finally any Indian in USA simply has no right to criticize Aadhar since the US Visa process requires biometrics from all visitors.

This simply doesn't hold any logic. If Aadhar is so good, then it should be able to stand up to any argument based on its merits regardless of where it's coming from. Can you actually present any points against the points being made by Mozilla?

Are you ok with your intimate personal details being sold to private companies? Maybe your son or daughter have a sickness and now all the private companies can know about it. Maybe years from now the collected data will be used to make decisions about whether to admit them into a school or hire them as professionals.

Please think calmly and logically rather than being sensational, egotistical, and personal. Nobody is trying to hurt your "Indian Pride".

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by realonedev »

ganduG wrote: post #42
realonedev wrote: post #28

I belong to the third world of the third world. State called Uttar Pradesh. If you consider India as 3rd world, then UP is 3rd world of India. Here are the emotional benefits of Aadhar : My parents don't have to bribe the local gas connections distribution agents. Which means, No need to stay in long queue from 8 In the morning, not to get your cooking cylinder, but to pay the bribe. Since the government has advertis…

Yes, but the old lady in the village will have a problem with it when it is used to marginalize and discriminate against her. The riots in 1984 and in 2001 showed us how voter lists can, and will, be misused by people in power to their own benefit.

Disgusting comment.

Please make sure you know what you are talking.

Don't spread fake news like the Indian communists.

Edit:

If people want I compile produce point by point data to prove that Indian communists are masters at spreding fake news, for decades.

I will even quote a website which is mostly anti current government (it spreads fake news most of the times)

thewire.in/24713/aadhaar-identification-simplified-myths-busted/

....The UIDAI has emphasised several times that information related to religion or caste is neither collected nor stored in the Aadhaar database. Applicants and holders are encouraged to look at their Aadhaar to confirm this.....

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by aub3bhat »

shiven wrote: post #68
aub3bhat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are the one full of bullshit because if you are okay with surrendering your biometrics to a foreign government (especially the country where Mozilla is based out of) you don't have any right to complain about your own country seeking similar access. The article is written by people with political agenda, Aadhar is million times better than SSN or other such systems. I am extremely well versed with Security & Priv…

WTF has Mozilla to do with any of this?

Did you even read the article?

""" This opinion piece by Mozilla Executive Chairwoman Mitchell Baker and Mozilla community member Ankit Gadgil """

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by splintercell »

petertodd wrote: post #45
realonedev wrote: post #28

I belong to the third world of the third world. State called Uttar Pradesh. If you consider India as 3rd world, then UP is 3rd world of India. Here are the emotional benefits of Aadhar : My parents don't have to bribe the local gas connections distribution agents. Which means, No need to stay in long queue from 8 In the morning, not to get your cooking cylinder, but to pay the bribe. Since the government has advertis…

Propaganda? Your 30 minute old account sounds like propaganda too. We all know we could reduce crime by putting cameras in people's homes. But we don't do that, because there are risks to those kinds of invasive measures. Aadhar is infrastructure that allows for centralized control of the population. Sometimes that control will be used for good things, like stamping out bribery. But that control can just as easily be…

> We all know we could reduce crime by putting cameras in people's homes. But we don't do that, because there are risks to those kinds of invasive measures.

Surprisingly, in India if people would be against such a measure then only because it would violate the modesty of women, and not because it invades the privacy.

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