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Physicists demonstrate new way to violate local causality

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Re: Physicists demonstrate new way to violate local causality

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Maybe I don't understand this thought experiment. Say you are on a plane cruising at 500 mph. The plane is applying constant thrust to counteract atmospheric drag in order to maintain steady 500 mph. At this point your horizontal speed is 500 mph and your vertical speed is zero, as the plane is maintaining level flight. When you decide to jump, you start accelerating towards the ground at roughly 9.8 m/s^2. Your hori…

I may have been imprecise: I'm talking about jumping inside the plane, not wingwalking. There's no drag inside the plane. If you've ever taken a pee standing up on a plane, you'll notice that your pee doesn't veer rearward. You can juggle balls without losing them (you can try this in the back of a car). If you throw a ball forwards on a plane, it doesn't come back to you, and those carts that are rolled up and down…

Well yes, standing inside the plane is a very important distinction. If you are standing inside and decide to jump, there is no atmospheric drag inside the plane to slow down your horizontal speed because any atmosphere in the plane is moving at the same speed you are and so the relative speed is zero.

Re: Physicists demonstrate new way to violate local causality

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If anyone wants to learn more about Bell's inequality, the simplest (real, no bullshit) explanation I've ever seen is by David Griffiths. You can follow it if you know the basics of calculus: http://www.physics.umd.edu/courses/Phys270/Jenkins/Griffiths...

And if you don't know calculus, there's Mermin's version: http://kantin.sabanciuniv.edu/sites/kantin.sabanciuniv.edu/f...

IAAP, but that is still a great article to drive home how fundamental and simple this property of our universe is.

Re: Physicists demonstrate new way to violate local causality

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> what does "Bell inequality" really mean Some stuff is just hard to understand. You can make analogies, like talking about two people hiding a colored ball in their hand and one of them showing it later, but these are not truly helpful in really understanding the issue. For that you need a bit of math. One physicist explained this really nicely, saying that because we live in the macroscopic world we have a certain…

Our intuitions about macro stuff is really bad, or at least the intuition of people not steeped in Newtonian mechanics is really bad. Gallilean relativity is deeply unintuitive to many physics-naive people, let alone Newtonian mechanics. There's a reason Aristotelian mechanics lasted so long (okay, also the lack of a real scientific method, but still). To demonstrate, ask a random person these questions: If I stand o…

You might want to read Carlo Rovelli's paper https://arxiv.org/abs/1312.4057.

TL;DR Aristotle's physics lasted a long time because it works in the environment in which people used it.

Re: Physicists demonstrate new way to violate local causality

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Hm ... and then you expect people would say, they would land backwards? I think allmost everybody would get it right ...

This is based on muddled memories of a highschool physics class, but yes- I'd expect a lot of people to get it wrong, based on the sheer number of my classmates who persistently got it wrong. My teacher subscribed to a slightly nuts teaching philosophy which involved polling the class repeatedly, so I had a pretty good sense of how hard people found the ideas. Example: literally the other reply to my comment. The not…

> The notion of an "impeller" to continue uniform motion is Aristotelian, and it seems to coincide with a lot of people's intuition:

It also coincides with the kinds of experiment that people using Aristotelian physics are in a position to perform. See my comment about Carlo Rovelli's paper.

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