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Why Not To Do A Startup

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Re: Why Not To Do A Startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

ever been to LA? a few big stars and producers up in the hills, every other person in the "biz" scattered across miles and miles of flatlands.

There are plenty of middle class folks in the "biz". These are the makeup artists, sound designers, animators, model makers and so on. They all make a good living pursuing their dream.

The point he's making is that not that many actors make their living through acting. Also, not many people go to Hollywood with a dream of being a gaffer. When you get a union job, you usually live month-to-month since living in Cali can be expensive.

Like with many other "scalable jobs", you have few winners and many, many losers. Acting, singing, startups, CEOs, traders... they all fall into this category.

Re: Why Not To Do A Startup

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Matt Maroon : Hacker News 2008 :: Aaron Swartz : Hacker News 2007 Don't get me wrong, though -- they're both good writers, so the above isn't a swipe at either guy or Hacker News. However: "trailer-dweller" seems a little mean-spirited (and inaccurate) when it's clear who you are referring to with that example.

Can someone kindly provide some history of this to those of us that weren't here in 2007?

Re: Why Not To Do A Startup

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While this is mostly true, it's really the case against doing anything especially ambitious, not just starting startups. You could make an almost identical case against trying to write a great novel. The novelists you hear about in the press are the successful ones. Most people who try fail. It sucks up huge amounts of time regardless. The community is littered with sad, failed novelists. And are the ones who succeed…

> The community is littered with sad, failed novelists. Why the pessimism? What about the happy, failed novelists? Just because most failed 's are sad doesn't mean you are destined to be...

I was just substituting one variable in Matt's.

Re: Why Not To Do A Startup

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Matt Maroon : Hacker News 2008 :: Aaron Swartz : Hacker News 2007 Don't get me wrong, though -- they're both good writers, so the above isn't a swipe at either guy or Hacker News. However: "trailer-dweller" seems a little mean-spirited (and inaccurate) when it's clear who you are referring to with that example.

Can someone kindly provide some history of this to those of us that weren't here in 2007?

To spell out the analogy, they both:

1) Are young and have started or been part of successful startups

2) Have blogs where they exhibit a strong personality through their writings, which are sometimes controversial but always tinged with elitism.*

3) Were/are darlings of Hacker News, with a high percentage of their blog posts making it high on the front page

*Not that there's anything wrong with that

Re: Why Not To Do A Startup

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While I was reading this, I kept making a mental translation of the word "startup" into "grad school" (especially the bit about being 30 and single, due to the seven previous years of 80-hour weeks). It held together just as well. I'm no defender of the blind optimism that goes along with the startup universe, but there are certainly less lucrative ways to waste the best years of your life.

My perception was that it's much harder to fail at grad school.

Mine is that it's spectacularly easy to fail at grad school...tons of my classmates left college figuring they'd get a Ph.D and are now dropping out after (or sometimes just before) getting their masters.

Re: Why Not To Do A Startup

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Matt,

Good post. Having both done a startup that didn't go big and now one that looks like it will turn into something big I thing your points are very well made.

As you say, history is written by the winners and about the outliers and totally glosses over the truth for the average majority (and the destructive lows of the minority).

As all of us know who've done it though, doing a business is something that's just in your blood. Most of us who do it didn't do it because we chose to, only because we had to.

I once asked Marc Hedlund a little about the failure of the startup he did before Wesabe. He said it was bad but on balance he didn't feel he came out too badly since he didn't lose his wife or go bankrupt. Enough said.

The highs are insanely high but it's worth writing about the lows too because there's a whole lot of cult around the startup scene that lures people into decisions that can be destructive.

Re: Why Not To Do A Startup

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While I was reading this, I kept making a mental translation of the word "startup" into "grad school" (especially the bit about being 30 and single, due to the seven previous years of 80-hour weeks). It held together just as well. I'm no defender of the blind optimism that goes along with the startup universe, but there are certainly less lucrative ways to waste the best years of your life.

My perception was that it's much harder to fail at grad school.

It depends on what you mean by "fail". If it means "drop out before getting a PhD", then you are surely right. But that's not how most people who enter PhD programs in sciences define success. They want a tenure track position afterwards (possibly with a few years of posdoc positions in between), and eventually they want to become tenured professors. And I suspect--I can't back it with any numbers though--the failure rate for them is of the same order of magnitude as for startups.

Re: Why Not To Do A Startup

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It is good to see a contradicting post here from time to time, as there are a lot of downsides to starting a company.

I found myself at the age of 30 many years into a company I started at 23, and it consumed my entire 20's. Every aspect of my life suffered.

Are people aware of the strange things stress can do to one's body? Look up 'IBS' in google. Try not eating for a year. That's just the stuff I can post.

I missed weddings and funerals. I did things I'm so extremely proud of, and things I'm ashamed of.

Here is the real rub: Once you hire employees, you have an obligation to give them a consistent paycheck. It just happens. This increases 10x when the employees aren't kids in their early twenties working for stock options making peanuts who get 10 job offers a week.

When you have employees who have families that depend on your company, depend on your health plan, your dental plan, your 401k matching funds, the pressure to maintain even when times are tough is huge.

The game can change quickly. Having employees will make it harder to throw up your arms when things get tough and say 'perhaps I don't have a winner here'. You will dig in, and continue the battle, and you are committed until it can survive on it's own. And sometimes that takes a couple years.

Or five.

Or ten.

So a word of caution. Keeping a company alive is tough. Closing down a company is tougher. A fairy tale ending is a pipe dream. Last time I checked, there are a very small number of Mark Cuban's, and this sure ain't 1998. And guess what Jerry Yang is doing: working his ass off to save the soul of his baby. His hugely successful baby.

He doesn't have to be there.

He made his billions. But things aren't right, and he can't sleep at night.

Success is hitting payroll every month. Never ever miss payroll. Any goodness above that is gravy. Anything worse than that is hell.

Would I change it all, and to have just gotten a job out of college, reporting to someone every day of my life? Hell no!! I love it. I could think of no better way to live my life. :)

Re: Why Not To Do A Startup

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Matt, Good post. Having both done a startup that didn't go big and now one that looks like it will turn into something big I thing your points are very well made. As you say, history is written by the winners and about the outliers and totally glosses over the truth for the average majority (and the destructive lows of the minority). As all of us know who've done it though, doing a business is something that's just i…

I agree. I don't think I've really experienced the lows enough to comment on them. My past startup still returns passive income to this day, and my current one is still running and doesn't seem to be in danger of stopping any time soon.

Re: Why Not To Do A Startup

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What is the percentage of success for YC startups?

It's too early to tell, because it takes 4-5 years to say for sure if a startup has succeeded, and YC is only 3 years old. I'd be happy if it was a third, and delighted if it was as high as 50%.

What I'd like to know is, what % need to succeed for you guys to turn a profit. I'm sure it's too early to tell that too, but do you have any guesses?
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