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Re: Shenzhen is a hothouse of innovation

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Despite the politics, and crazy economics, China future looks amazing, because of the huge of human potential. If I were 20 years younger, and having the possibility of an interesting job in software programming, I would go to Shanghai or Shenzen.

Why not go now?

Re: Shenzhen is a hothouse of innovation

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post #67

Despite the politics, and crazy economics, China future looks amazing, because of the huge of human potential. If I were 20 years younger, and having the possibility of an interesting job in software programming, I would go to Shanghai or Shenzen.

Except you are also subjecting yourself to poor air quality, tight living conditions and filtered news.

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> The common perception that China is incapable of innovation needs re-examining. No one is saying Chinese people can't innovate. The real question is whether Chinese people can innovate while inside China. (I wonder what percentage of current captains of industry in China studied abroad?) Why? Because innovation is essentially disrupting and rebelling against the status quo. ie breaking rules, disobedience, oppositi…

First of all, it is a complex place. All big countries are. Creating an original product/idea is different from innovating upon an existing one. So is Google not innovative as they did not invent internet search? ApplePay is less innovative because Alipay (handled USD660B in 2012) was started in 2004? Or Wechat is not innovative because whatsapp was there first? I am not Chinese but we sell software in Asia. In a sma…

I never said that the mainland has not produced anything innovative. The WeChat platform and DJI are good examples. (Sorry but Didi is not innovative.) My main point is that current conditions in China are not conducive to innovation. I strongly feel that there would be way more game changers like WeChat if the conditions in the mainland improved; even more so than the US and the EU combined. right now the conditions in China tend to just favor making larger and bigger copies of what already exist elsewhere and not anything really new

Re: Shenzhen is a hothouse of innovation

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post #67

Despite the politics, and crazy economics, China future looks amazing, because of the huge of human potential. If I were 20 years younger, and having the possibility of an interesting job in software programming, I would go to Shanghai or Shenzen.

> China future looks amazing, because of the huge of human potential.

I grew up in China and spent half of my life there before immigrated in the states while I was in college. Being bilingual and keeping an close eye on the start-up focused medias from both countries, I totally concur. And it's increasing clear to me that Silicon Delta[1][2] suppressing Silicon Valley is very probable. And Shenzhen is at the heart of it.

I am approaching 40, but if there is an interesting opportunity I would give Shenzhen calling a shot for sure.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_River_Delta

[2]: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jan/28/china-pearl-r...

Re: Shenzhen is a hothouse of innovation

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> The common perception that China is incapable of innovation needs re-examining. No one is saying Chinese people can't innovate. The real question is whether Chinese people can innovate while inside China. (I wonder what percentage of current captains of industry in China studied abroad?) Why? Because innovation is essentially disrupting and rebelling against the status quo. ie breaking rules, disobedience, oppositi…

I've come to conclude any culture that teaches strong forms of "respect your elders" will have a tough time building an innovation economy.

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Yes the Japanese are polite and formal and like China there's a huge pressure to conform. However imo there's one key difference: the Japanese obsession with kaizen- constant improvement and striving for perfection. It may not override outward conformity for appearances sake, but imo there are enough Japanese who are madly in love and obsessed with the idea of attempting to achieve acme, that they're willing to risk…

This is stereotyping at it's finest. China, even the Han-culture is not a monolith. There are huge cultural differences in China. One billion people are not 'one china' in anywhere else than communist propaganda. There are differences in business culture, management hierarchy, language, food (what people in the west think as Chinese food is Cantonese food) and relationship with authority. People in eastern cities are…

No it isn't. It's like describing US society in the early 20th century and before as largely patriarchal - which was true. Yes there were outliers like the Women's suffrage movement, but they were just that - outliers and not most of society as a whole.

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> When you demand that your people bow and obey, and imprison people like A1 WW, this goes against promoting and nurturing innovation This is a common misconception, especially by people who have never lived in China. Thinking political censorship means people are docile all spheres of life. Chinese people are actually much more prone to rant and fight over everyday injustices: shopkeeper ripped you off, denied entra…

To make it extremely clear if it wasn't already obvious, I'm Chinese and I've lived both on the mainland and in South East Asia. > This is a common misconception, especially by people who have never lived in China. They just have to be careful not to publicly blame any politicians for the issue or try to organize some group activity to protest it. You've contradicted yourself pretty quickly; you haven't disputed my m…

Check your history - the internet is decentralized because it was designed to withstand a nuclear attack, nothing to do with censorship.

Re: Shenzhen is a hothouse of innovation

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> The common perception that China is incapable of innovation needs re-examining. No one is saying Chinese people can't innovate. The real question is whether Chinese people can innovate while inside China. (I wonder what percentage of current captains of industry in China studied abroad?) Why? Because innovation is essentially disrupting and rebelling against the status quo. ie breaking rules, disobedience, oppositi…

I've come to conclude any culture that teaches strong forms of "respect your elders" will have a tough time building an innovation economy.

"I respect you and will disrupt you."

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I've come to conclude any culture that teaches strong forms of "respect your elders" will have a tough time building an innovation economy.

"I respect you and will disrupt you."

And then we can have an entire culture of respecting our elders so much that we emulate what disruptive badasses they are.

Everyone wins!

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Actually, buying Bunnie's "The Essential Guide to Electronics in Shenzhen" [1] was what motivated me to make the trip. I was motivated enough to spent 7+ months learning basic Mandarin before making the trip. Not to mention the WIRED videos on Shenzhen featuring Bunnie [2]. Learning the Mandarin number system made negotiating prices a breeze. I just got the Hardware Hacker a month or so ago. Great read. [1] https://w…

>> I was motivated enough to spent 7+ months learning basic Mandarin That is impressive. I have tried learning Mandarin, and found that in the same amount of time that you could be communicating (at a very basic level) in another language (even one considered 'hard' like Japanese), with Mandarin I am still trying to get tones right.

Tones are hard but far less important than people make out. If you can copy someone else's sound, you will eventually just get tones right automatically. This is how Chinese learn. There's no need to learn them formally. (Source: 16 years, native English speaker, fluent Mandarin, some capacity with multiple tonal languages + dialects)
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