Damn. Just been forced to switch to Mate at work and find it like living in the past. Lots of defaults seem ugly or unusable (hunting through menus for programs etc.).
GNOME 3 and MATE don't have much in common though.
Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#72Damn. From the horses mouth: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cl... I might be a small minority, but I _like_ Unity 7. I have never used Unity 8, and I thought the Ubuntu phone was misspent effort, but wow. Now I have to figure out if there is a way to style Gnome to look like Unity 7. I wonder what this means for Mir vs Wayland as well.
Same here. I love the keyboard friendliness out of the box, and especially how sparingly it uses vertical space. I like gnome3 visually, but some design choices by the gnome team I don't understand. While unity uses a global menu, which displays the menu items in several columns, The gnome global menu has 1 column, with for most apps a single entry (quit).
I'm hoping Canonical can cook up a custom suite of extensions to make the GNOME desktop more unity like and maybe even more usable in general.
I'm fairly sure implementing unity/mac style global menus on GNOME can be done with an extension.
And if they don't contribute as much to the desktop, we'll probably see improvements in other areas such as performance.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is my worry. The technical challenge of maintaining a usable mobile OS seems too high for companies like Canonical and Mozilla to have a chance, since getting hardware produced, marketed and into people's hands is a gargantuan task, and supporting Android handset installs is fighting a losing battle. Having said that, I am not sure why? Ubuntu Phone seems largely functional on a few devices, but installing it an…
Jep, I don't understand it. It is completely understandable to drop a product that is not working on the market. It is less understandable to drop a product that never really was on the market, after the big initial investment is already done. Same for FF, same for WebOS: How can you draw the conclusion that something is not working on the market if you never tried making it available to customers, on regular hardwar…
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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#74Sad to see this. But also glad to see a less fragmented Linux desktop. I've always stuck with Gnome but the video in Mark's announcement looks pretty good. I guess it's true what they say - A system is never a popular as the day it is decommissioned.
I hope they can also align their release schedule with the Gnome team. I want to be on the latest desktop and get access to all the new features as they come out - not six months later.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#75I get that they're moving away from convergence, but what does this ultimately mean for Ubuntu as a mobile OS? In the grand scheme of things, what does this mean for users who want a completely FOSS stack for their phone (let's ignore the baseband for now)? As far as I can tell, this just means that your only options are Android or iOS. It's not easy to get a Jolla/SailfishOS phone that will work on most Canadian or…
Ubuntu Mobile was never really a viable alternative mobile os though.
I disagree. I think if it was marketed as heavily as google markets android it could compete in certain markets like power-users and professionals.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#76How much has another company paid, that Ubuntu dropped it?
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#77Damn. From the horses mouth: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cl... I might be a small minority, but I _like_ Unity 7. I have never used Unity 8, and I thought the Ubuntu phone was misspent effort, but wow. Now I have to figure out if there is a way to style Gnome to look like Unity 7. I wonder what this means for Mir vs Wayland as well.
Same here. I love the keyboard friendliness out of the box, and especially how sparingly it uses vertical space. I like gnome3 visually, but some design choices by the gnome team I don't understand. While unity uses a global menu, which displays the menu items in several columns, The gnome global menu has 1 column, with for most apps a single entry (quit).
A blog post by Allan Day addresses the vertical space issue: https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2014/08/27/gnome-design-saving-....
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#78Canonical ”raised" like 20 million USD to create a converged phone but the "community/market didn't want it"?
If the cost to build a viable mobile OS is more like $100M, maybe the market didn't want it badly enough.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#79Damn. From the horses mouth: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cl... I might be a small minority, but I _like_ Unity 7. I have never used Unity 8, and I thought the Ubuntu phone was misspent effort, but wow. Now I have to figure out if there is a way to style Gnome to look like Unity 7. I wonder what this means for Mir vs Wayland as well.
Well, Canonical was heavily involved with Mir because of Unity, right? So, with this change, I guess we can expect a Wayland related news in the following weeks/months. BTW, I would go even further: will they still invest in the Snap package or they will do the same and go to a community oriented package system?
Going back to GNOME implies going with Wayland, as Wayland is built-in to GNOME. Wayland isn't like X11, you can't just run the desktop on a different display server.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd suggest the best remaining option for a FOSS-driven phone (now that Canonical have dropped the ball) is Tizen. It's got the backing of a large phone manufacturer (Samsung) and the Linux Foundation, and seems to be actively developed. It'll probably end up being used on low-end devices at first, but is likely to be more open than the two leading platforms, so hopefully they get some traction amongst tech community…
I, too, want competition in this space. Unfortunately, Tizen got some bad press this week: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsungs-tizen-is-ri... . The past year has not been good for Samsung on so many fronts.
If code quality is an issue, at least people who want an open-source phone OS can work on fixes:
I don't see many other options emerging. It's possible that a community-led effort to finish work on Unity 8 (and possibly port it to Wayland) may emerge, but that would only solve the phone UI issue, the main problem holding back open-source phones is likely to be closed bootloaders and lack of drivers. By supporting Tizen we can get Samsung to handle the low level stuff.