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Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by nyolfen »

jMyles wrote: post #17
gnaritas wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What exactly are we investigating? Collusion between Trump/team and Russia. It's one thing for Russia to mess with an election, it's a vastly different thing if the campaign coordinated with them to do it.

If "messed with" the election just means misleading propaganda, then is it really an issue if they coordinated with them? How is it any different than hiring a PR firm based in another country?

forgive me if i'm being uncharitable, but it comes across as if you're being willfully obtuse.

"messed with" means hacking and possible criminal coordination between a campaign and russian officials. if it came out that the clinton campaign had coordinated with [insert historic rival] intelligence, people would be calling for executions.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by rayiner »

cperciva wrote: post #46
jmaygarden wrote: post #9

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5 people were granted immunity in Hillary Clinton's email scandal and nothing came of it.

Did they ask for immunity, or were they offered it? Anyone who is offered immunity will take it -- there's no reason not to -- but that doesn't mean they needed it or knew anything worth testifying to. But when you hear "please, someone -- anyone -- give me immunity!" from a suspect, it rather increases the odds that they have a strong reason for wanting immunity.

The government doesn't go around pro-actively offering immunity to people. It's a chip they'll cash if they need to.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by a3n »

hackuser wrote: post #48

Has the United States ever convicted someone on the level of National Security Advisor (i.e., effectively a member of the cabinet, such as Secretary of Defense), or even put them on trial? Petraeus got a slap on the wrist, but for actions while he was a General. In other countries, even the heads of state get put on trial. Off the top of my head, it's happened relatively recently in France and Israel. In the U.S., I…

Nixon's VP, Spiro Agnew, received a $10K fine and 3 years probation after pleading no contest to tax evasion from accepting bribes. IANAL, don't know if that counts as "conviction." He was disbarred for his plea of no contest.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by themihai »

generic_user wrote: post #43
wyldfire wrote: post #13

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I think the level of infighting in the US and Europe now is different from anything I've seen over the last couple of decades. The democratization of media is a net benefit but it helped bring about a world's worth of people seeking out news that matches their world view. It's made it very easy to spawn animus and make everything into an "us vs them" issue. I think Russia is overtly and covertly involved in an effort…

So the alternative is to keep a population held together with a narrative manufactured by the central state along side a brutal military police apparatus to manage compliance. I think the real culprit is that the masters of the universe who crashed the economy have not been able to put humpty dumpty back together again. And only managed to make the upper 1% fabulously wealthy why the rest of the population has a sink…

What are you talking about? The fake news are basically like the spam and phishing sites except they are state sponsored. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you have to bombarded by propaganda spread by russian bots. This is cyberwar. Sooner or later things will get quite nasty.

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Post by mirimir »

charles-salvia wrote: post #65
mirimir wrote: post #23

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There's the possibility that the entire basis of the Republican resurgence -- with its roots in the alt-right, conspiracy theories, the Tea Party, gold bugs, etc -- has been a Russian operation with the goal of destabilizing the US. Consider the role of RT, for example. And it's not like it hasn't happened before. Russia played a major role in shaping the anti-war movement in the 60s.

No power on Earth is that competent. And the Tea Party was very clearly a reaction to Obama getting elected, and egged on by the Republican establishment.

Well, the US certainly has been. In Viet Nam. In Chile. In Iran. In the Soviet Union. Just about everywhere, really.

The Tea Party goes back before Obama. It grew out of the RJR-funded fight against smoking restrictions.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by dr_ick »

gnaritas wrote: post #8
jMyles wrote: post #2

Listen, I know it's a big deal when the POTUS lies. But aren't we used to it by now? If Trump somehow manages not to be a criminal and a crook (which seems downright impossible), it will be highly unusual for the recent history of his office. Now: other than bluster, what is there actually about this "Russia" probe? What exactly are we investigating? Whether Russia was involved in "fake news" stories? Whether Russia…

> What exactly are we investigating? Collusion between Trump/team and Russia. It's one thing for Russia to mess with an election, it's a vastly different thing if the campaign coordinated with them to do it.

Did Obama coordinate with "Remainers" when he tried to influence Brexit voters with his "back of the queue" speech?

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by [deleted] »

jMyles wrote: post #29
hourislate wrote: post #22

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It strikes me as odd that Americans don't seem to mind that a President to some extent might be serving the interests of a foreign power above the interests of the his own citizens. Who would have thought so many Americans would have a love affair with a KGB Agent that is responsible for murder and oppression and for his entire life worked to undermine America and has accomplished that to some extent with this Admini…

I think that the part you are missing is that the vast majority (like 65%) don't support or respect this President at all. Of all the terrible things the government has done in the past 1 / 10 / 100 years, I don't think that a candidate coordinating with Russia about which fake news to publish is even worth mentioning. If Congress has the guts to investigate the Steele dossier (which alleged Trump traded eased regula…

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Post by jtedward »

dr_ick wrote: post #68
mozumder wrote: post #40

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Basically we're looking at Trump being connected to Russian mafia for all his financing as well as Putin bribing him with 19% stake in the Russian state oil company for removing sanctions, as well as assisting with his campaign by hacking into the Podesta emails, sorta like how there were Watergate DNC office burglars. Did you want all this in writing from Trump and notarized that he did this? Because that's not how…

I thought we're looking at Hillary being connected to Saudi Arabia for her financing as well as giving Russia 20% of U.S. uranium in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation, as well as Podesta ties to a Russian entity called Rusnano, and how Obama used a slush fund to move money to leftist hate groups. Did you want all this in writing from Hillary and notarized that she did this? Because that's not how it wo…

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