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Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by scrollaway »

draw_down wrote: post #57
scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

So, what you don't get is why using an open chat protocol didn't turn into market leadership? Or...

Google's failure to turn Talk into a market leader has absolutely nothing to do with Talk being built on top of an open source protocol.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by zeveb »

> we’ve evolved Hangouts to focus on two new experiences

> Google Talk launched in 2005 as a simple chat experience

To quote Inigo Montoya, 'You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.'

> As part of our continued effort to focus Google+ around shared interests, we’re retiring two legacy Google+ features in Gmail: the ability to email Google+ profiles and the use of Google+ Circles.

Sad to see Circles die — that's what was compelling about Google+. I don't even know what it is now.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by tlogan »

But they also mention that Hangouts API will stop working [1]. Which is kinda strange: if Hangouts is the new thing then why to shutdown the API?

I'm asking this more from a developer perspective: lets suppose one wants to integrate their app with google "chat / collaboration" systems (like one can integrate with Slack, Facebook, etc.). What to do?

I have feeling that Google executives are thinking something like this "lets just buy Slack and call the day".

What are you thoughts about this?

[1] http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3002204/google-is-s...

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by yitchelle »

startupdiscuss wrote: post #22

I just had an image of myself posting the headline: "Google discontinues Gmail and Search" as a way to kickstart a conversation about our reliance on services, and whether we can blame companies for not subsidizing services we like and so on. But then I realized it would just go sideways into a discussion about click bait and appropriate headlines, so I am posting it as a comment.

When Google Talk is discontinued, folks will gravitate to the next IM message like WhatsApp, Facebook messenger or even Twitter DM.

Gmail, well there are other client to use.

Search, umm, what can we do here? DuckGoGo?

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by izacus »

cwyers wrote: post #42
scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

> But at least now it works on phones? This is actually really, really important to people.

Yes, if anything, some of us stopped using Hangouts not because it supported phones, but because it didn't support desktop machines.

(No, being forced to run chrome just to see chats in a crappy corner window isn't experience on par with iMessage / Telegram / Viber).

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by startupdiscuss »

yitchelle wrote: post #75
startupdiscuss wrote: post #22

I just had an image of myself posting the headline: "Google discontinues Gmail and Search" as a way to kickstart a conversation about our reliance on services, and whether we can blame companies for not subsidizing services we like and so on. But then I realized it would just go sideways into a discussion about click bait and appropriate headlines, so I am posting it as a comment.

When Google Talk is discontinued, folks will gravitate to the next IM message like WhatsApp, Facebook messenger or even Twitter DM. Gmail, well there are other client to use. Search, umm, what can we do here? DuckGoGo?

I agree with you.

Do you think Google has a moral responsibility to provide us with tools and time to make the transition?

And, how good do the tools have to be? Just a text dump is okay, or should you be able to give it your credentials and it can do the transfer? And then who decides how many services it should make easy?

Are we being responsible now by not thinking about it?

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by jdoliner »

eachro wrote: post #60

At this point I have no idea which Google chat client is which. A few years ago I remember having Google Talk on my android phone. Then after some random update the application disappeared from my phone and was replaced with hangouts. Now is Google Talk the same as GChat? Was Hangouts anything more than just a new branding for Google Talk? I have no idea. And what's up with this Google Allo thing? Again, it seems lik…

I'd say google has entered into a post modern era of chat. I don't think there's anything they could announce that would actually mean something to the generally public, there's too many overlapping brands with overlapping functionality.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by zeveb »

pmilot wrote: post #19
mindcrime wrote: post #2

XMPP federation with third-party services providers will no longer be supported starting June 26. Fuck you, Google. Just fuck you...

Welcome to The Cloud, where you basically void all rights for long-term support of any product.

The GNU Manifesto[†] has never been more relevant.

[†] https://www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.en.html

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by peapicker »

ajross wrote: post #53
math0ne wrote: post #33

I use pidgin, how does this affect me?

If you use Pidgin to connect to an XMPP federated service, then that won't work any more. If like basically everyone relevant, you use Pidgin to directly chat with Hangouts users and to hang out on IRC (the federated protocol that actually succeeded in the marketplace), then you don't care. I genuinely don't understand the outrage in support of XMPP. It didn't work out guys. IRC tuns out to be all anyone actually wan…

You didn't see this part in the article?

> "Third-party XMPP clients will continue to work with Hangouts for 1-on-1 chats."

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