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H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

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Re: H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

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post #58

Filing is always free. Online filing costs money, but you can always mail in a paper form. If everyone did that, the IRS would pretty quickly want to make sure people can file online easily and cheaply. Stop using HR Block and Turbo Tax. For most people, taxes are not very complicated. The IRS publishes detailed instructions that literally explain what every box means and what should go in it for every form. Just rea…

But every time I do that my calculated return is far lower than the return I get using online tools.

Re: H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

#72
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The prime objective for a business is to make money." A business is a way for people to organize and collaborate and it does not absolve those people of their moral and ethical obligations. Individuals are expected to prioritize family, community, country, religion, etc. We need to stop giving people a free pass just because they hide behind articles of incorporation.

What are you going to do, put a business in jail? Hold the people who have made you promises and then failed to follow through responsible. Aka, your politicians. They are your backstop. What makes Goldman, GSK, Haliburton, or any of the other shady, scummy businesses out there responsible to you? They are responsible to the law on the books. Our politicians are supposed to prevent business from screwing our society.…

I think it could work really well to put businesses "in jail." You can't physically put them in prison, but you can achieve the same ultimate effect by forcing them to cease operations for a period of time. If a crime would put a person in prison for five years, then maybe it should also force a business to cease operations for five years.

Re: H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

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post #67
post #58

Filing is always free. Online filing costs money, but you can always mail in a paper form. If everyone did that, the IRS would pretty quickly want to make sure people can file online easily and cheaply. Stop using HR Block and Turbo Tax. For most people, taxes are not very complicated. The IRS publishes detailed instructions that literally explain what every box means and what should go in it for every form. Just rea…

You underestimate how lazy and unmotivated most people are.

You overestimate how easy IRS instructions are. A 1040EZ is easy, but anything beyond that and it becomes very complicated in a hurry.

Re: H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

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Because of the complexity of tax regulations, I don't think coming up with a competing free/open-source/nonprofit tax preparation service is the right answer to this problem.

Let's consider the positions of all sides:

* The professional tax preparers are worried that they're going to lose business if the government assumes the bulk of the tax preparation work.

* We as taxpayers would prefer that the government pre-fills a return for us, since they already have the information, and lets us file the pre-filled form if we detect no errors. That saves us time and also lets us see what info the government has about our income.

* But we also recognize that it's in the government's interest to maximize the tax we pay, and (ideally) it's in the tax preparers' interest to minimize the tax we pay.

Given all that, if pre-filled returns are unlikely, for political reasons, then perhaps a step up from the current Free File program might work like this:

1) You go to a Free File partner.

2) You authorize the IRS to release all of your tax information to that partner, who pre-fills the forms.

3) The partner walks you through the pre-filled forms, so you can check for accuracy.

4) The partner then does its own checks to discover errors that you might not have picked up on.

5) The partner makes money by selling optional add-ons, such as audit protection services.

This would, at the very least, speed up the Free File process and let you see what info the IRS has. It also ensures (like it or not) that the partners keep getting business (or at least eyeballs to pitch extra services to), and it ensures that your interest in paying the least amount of tax possible is reasonably protected.

Re: H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their response would be to lobby for a more complicated tax code so that competitor's struggle to keep up to date. It could become an arms race.

I'm as cynical as the next person, but seriously, how successful could they be approaching legislators with the idea "Make the tax code even more needlessly complicated to support our business"? Short of outright bribery I don't see any benefit to a politician for supporting something like that. There are a lot of complications in the tax code because with 300 million people there are a lot of special cases to accoun…

Actually Milton Friedman gave a speech on that very topic -- the tax code is intentionally complicated because it provides political power.

Re: H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

#76
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a false equivalence. The IRS is already "doing taxes" for most people when they get their paystub and investment data electronically sent by those institutions and using that to compare against the self-willed returns. If anything for many individuals (not self-employed, minimal investments, basic mortgage) this plan would reduce overhead.

In theory, the goal of the government is to maximize your amount of tax paid while the goal of professional tax preparation is to minimize it. (In order to compete with other services.) In practice, I don't know whether there ends up being a net benefit to taxpayers or not in the current setup.

Also: private filing via tax prep firm would remain an option.

Re: H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

#77

It's never wrong for businesses to lobby for their interests. It's wrong when our elected officials bend to those business interest when it goes against the public interest.

Lobbying who? Absolute transparency is needed of any lobbying, and does that happen? Non-perfect?

Re: H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

#78
Even without the lobbying the public choice aspects of this are bad. I'd like easier tax filing but I wouldn't vote for a politician who I disagreed with about immigration if they supported it. On the other hand I'd bet that most of employees of H&R Block, Intuit, etc would consider tax reform a huge threat to their livelihoods and would rank this as their top priority in choosing who to vote for.

Re: H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

#79
post #30

> But the legislation would also permanently bar the IRS from offering its own free alternative. Why should we as citizens of this great country be forced to give up the right to form a public option? Not quite 1:1 but the analogies to health care do come to mind.

What's going to happen to all of the nice employees maintaining HR Block and Intuit's tax filling products? Should they go become used car salespeople and McDonald's fry cooks?

The same thing that happened to the workers who were displaced by the cotton gin, the assembly line and the plow.

Re: H&R Block and Intuit Are Lobbying Against Making Tax Filling Free and Easy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Even though I disagree with it) Many courts interpretations of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC Lobbying is speech. You can't just censor people you disagree with. That's not the basis of our democratic society. The price of being able to speak what you think is good, is having to hear what you think is bad.

I think most of this thread is explained by people not realizing you were making a banal first amendment argument.

I think OP is moving the goalposts here. They also say "It's wrong when our elected officials bend to those business interest when it goes against the public interest", which is clearly a moral argument as opposed to a legal one.
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