Opting out of multimeter scans: not even once
I always do it.
I don't trust those machines.
And yeah i'm white, i don't have any problems at security. People think i'm arrogant white dude before they think i'm a terrorist.
Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)
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Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)
#72For what it's worth, practically every brown guy I know goes through the rituals when interacting with US Gov officials. Shave, look as clean cut as possible, and don't stand out. So no opting out of the scanners, no joking at security or immigration, better have backup ID. I'm not saying it's right that it's this way but it's safer. The officials are not very smart people but they have power, so you just give them w…
The security charade is nonsense, there's no doubt but I see hundreds of brown people going through security with zero issues every time I go to JFK.
Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
He didn't refuse the scanner, he was given a choice and when his choice was going to get complicated he could no longer switch back to the scanner. He did opt for the scanner on his new flight. But none of that is really relevant to how he was treated. Why deny him a glass of water?
>He didn't refuse the scanner He wasn't detained because he refused a scanner. You know that. >when his choice was going to get complicated he could no longer switch back to the scanner. Well ... yeah. What you refer to as a complication was him testing positive for explosives or poison. >Why deny him a glass of water? Is that the problem? He didn't get a glass of water?
testing positive for explosives or poison.
Testing positive for some chemical that might be used in explosives. Otherwise they wouldn't have asked him for what cleaning supplies he might have used.
Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)
#74Do you believe the government entered his apartment? It seems at least somewhat likely. They see the sparse apartment and picture of some religious thing on the wall, and it freaks them out. They take the picture back to their office to figure out what the hell it is. I'm not knowledgeable about this stuff, but it seems like they could have used a "sneak and peek" warrant, as authorized in the patriot act. https://ww…
> Do you believe the government entered his apartment? Yes, I do believe that, because it's plausible, and because they asked him, when facing his apartment building, which side the parking lot is on. Which suggests that someone was there who could verify the answer.
They probably just looked it up on Google maps.
Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)
#75I'm an average looking, run of the mill white software developer in my late 30's. I still get massive anxiety about taking air trips because of the hassle and harassment I've received in the past from TSA agents.
I have a hope that the backlash against the recent two failed Trump bans will continue to escalate and we'll see the end of this nonsense in our lifetimes. I think even the people who voted for this administration are starting to think it's absurd.
Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)
#76It's sad how much flying has changed since 9/11. Younger individuals will never realize how much easier it was to get through security. I'm sad at how he was treated and it's something that needs to be changed. It's not like treating anyone badly is going to result in more information.
>It's sad how much flying has changed since 9/11. Sad but predictable in a world with a global movement of suicidal religious fanatics willing to murder thousands of people and cause billions in property damage. It is what is. I miss the old days too, but I wouldn't vote to water-down airport security. >I'm sad at how he was treated and it's something that needs to be changed. Does it? He refused the millimeter wave…
Lightning strikes have killed 1300 people in the US since September 11. September 11 was a freak event. Terrorism is objectively not an existential threat, and guarding planes does not make us safer. If we were in danger of another 9/11 magnitude attack, it would have happened. Planes are not a magical key to terror plots. Terrorists can easily bomb targets in other ways and be incredibly successful, like Timothy McVeigh.
White Americans cause more acts of terror than Muslims. The last plane hijacking before 9/11 was by a white American. "Muslim" is not an indicator of people from the middle East, much less terrorists- the majority of Muslims are not from the middle East, they're African or Asian. Demonizing Muslims is a completely arbitrary choice based solely on one extreme outlier, and not on the danger they present.
You ask what should have happened. Did we read they same article? He asked to go home. They should have let him go. When he asked to leave they locked him up for 6 hours. He didn't want to be there and they had no right or reason to keep a him there. They treated him like shit, probably searched his apartment without a Warrenton, and cancelled his ticket and didn't reschedule him. And this was at JFK! This is likely among the best, least prejudiced experiences you can hope to have in a US airport. It's one of the largest, most liberal airport; the TSA shouldn't be locking people up if they don't even intend to fly.
I'm white and I once tripped the bomb paper with my shoes. You know what happened? The TSA guy just waved me through. If I was a little browner I would have been locked up in a room for six hours. If I had been treated like this man, I would be in jail for socking an agent in the face.
Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)
#77It's sad how much flying has changed since 9/11. Younger individuals will never realize how much easier it was to get through security. I'm sad at how he was treated and it's something that needs to be changed. It's not like treating anyone badly is going to result in more information.
>It's sad how much flying has changed since 9/11. Sad but predictable in a world with a global movement of suicidal religious fanatics willing to murder thousands of people and cause billions in property damage. It is what is. I miss the old days too, but I wouldn't vote to water-down airport security. >I'm sad at how he was treated and it's something that needs to be changed. Does it? He refused the millimeter wave…
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Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)
#78Have people really asked for a place to pray while flying on a plane? Why would JetBlue ask such a weird question?
Definitely, for sure both jews and muslims. The "following instructions from female flight attendants" thing I would guess also isn't out of the blue... maybe the airline has had experience with people not following female flight attendant rules.
Male Hasidic Jews have a thing where they refuse to acknowledge female flight attendants. I've seen this at least 5 times.
Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)
#79I have to fly today, from Canada to Europe. I probably shouldn't be reading stories like these before a flight, but I did, top to bottom, transfixed by the details. I hope I manage to make it through airport "security" without any problem. I'll smile, I'll cooperate. Hell, maybe I'll even step into the radiation machine for the first time in my life if I have to (I also always have opted out). I hate how scary this w…
Europe and Canada are friendlier than USA.
Not that much friendlier and getting worse every time I fly.
Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Etihad goes further and plays a short prayer before take-off. You can check where Mecca is at any time on your screen. Not sure where I have read it, nor can I confirm but I remember they also try to avoid scheduling flights during prayer hours (if possible)
The sacred texts don't indicate what is appropriate to do while flying in an airplane?
Can't read arabic :)