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Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by einr »

kodfodrasz wrote: post #31
mdekkers wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also not inexpensive Isn't that what we pay them not insignificant amounts of money for?

You do not buy a perpetual support license with those OSes. The cost of those operating systems was for a given list of compatible hardware. Windows 7 support ended, Windows 8 support ended, and Windows 8.1 is no longer sold, but still supported (so security patches still arrive). Like it or not, I understand MS, as backporting and re-valdating anything is a huge cost. Been there, done that, although for embedded sys…

The problem here is (at least) twofold:

1) this is almost certainly a partially arbitrary limitation, since Kaby Lake is architecturally identical to Skylake, yet one is supposedly supported and the other not, and

2) AMD Ryzen hardware has already been sold with the explicit promise by the vendor that it will have Windows 7 support; Microsoft is now breaking that promise.

Also, you may be misinformed regarding how Microsoft's support lifecycles work. MAINSTREAM support has ended for Windows 7 -- which means no new features -- but it still receives security patches until 2020. So does Windows 8 and 8.1. In fact, even Windows Vista still receives security patches until April 11th.

It seems like what's happening here is that they pushed out a patch that maliciously UN-supports certain hardware. I was running Windows 7 on Kaby Lake fine yesterday and receiving security updates, and now they're telling me I can't. Why? All the chipset drivers are third party and have nothing to do with Windows Update.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by jimmies »

josteink wrote: post #48
jimmies wrote: post #4

The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…

> automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices Downvote for falsely claiming PCs can be bricked[1], even more so by simply using Window-update, which at worst might require a reinstall if the install is botched. [1] The definition of a brick is that something is now completely non-functional, beyond repair and thus "as useful as a brick". Something which can be recovered is by definition…

>bricking devices by Microsoft's friends

I didn't say it bricked the PC -- but they literally did brick shit that gets plugged in to the PC. It's a binary blob that comes with windows update and it breaks your hardware, intentionally.

http://hackaday.com/2016/02/01/ftdi-drivers-break-fake-chips...

It is a brick, because (1) It was working before, it doesn't work now, (2) The hardware is fucked, you plug into another computer, it still won't work (3) You can't expect anyone except for the experts to be able to fix it.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by executesorder66 »

Svenskunganka wrote: post #6
jimmies wrote: post #4

The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…

For the Photoshop part, check out Krita ( https://krita.org/en/ ). Although it isn't exactly like Photoshop, a non-power user wouldn't notice the difference between the two. And Krita is really the only program I've come across on Linux that actually has a really nice UI. I still can't move over to Linux fully, even though I want to, it's just not there for me yet. Gaming being the biggest issue, but also general use…

Depending on what you are using it for, I generally would not recommend Krita as a photoshop replacement.

Here is my mini replacement list:

    Use Case             | windows     | Linux

    digital art          | Corel Paint | Krita
    image editing        | photoshop   | GIMP
    simple image editing | paint.net   | pinta
    vector image editing | illustrator | inkscape
    photo editing        | lightroom   | darktable

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by jimmies »

mdekkers wrote: post #16
jimmies wrote: post #4

The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…

bricking devices by Microsoft's friends Eh? What did I miss??

Here.

http://hackaday.com/2016/02/01/ftdi-drivers-break-fake-chips...

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by yrro »

mdekkers wrote: post #16
jimmies wrote: post #4

The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…

bricking devices by Microsoft's friends Eh? What did I miss??

My friend returned his Surface Pro 4 a few days after he got it when a mandatory Windows update bricked it, as in it turned off instead of restarting, and wouldn't turn back on.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

iliketosleep wrote: post #28
jimmies wrote: post #4

The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…

Microsoft's willingness to actively disrupt its users (whether it's through forced updates or artifical limitations) is indeed a tipping point for me. I always chose Windows for its convenience, and the fact that I could use it on my own terms. Clearly, this is no longer the case. As for Stallman, there's a fine line between a madman and a genius. Reality has shown us that he definitely is not a madman.

> As for Stallman, there's a fine line between a madman and a genius. Reality has shown us that he definitely is not a madman.

I'm not so sure the two are mutually exclusive.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by thenomad »

yrro wrote: post #76
mdekkers wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bricking devices by Microsoft's friends Eh? What did I miss??

My friend returned his Surface Pro 4 a few days after he got it when a mandatory Windows update bricked it, as in it turned off instead of restarting, and wouldn't turn back on.

I had a similar problem with a Surface, but some persistent going through the reboot options (of which there are about six, in increasing order of nuke-it-from-orbit-it's-the-only-way-to-be-sure) fixed it eventually.

Other than that, though, they're great machines.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by thenomad »

szatkus wrote: post #66

The title is incorrect. Bristol Ridge is AMD APU, not Ryzen.

This could do with being higher up the thread.

So WILL Win7 work with Ryzen? I ask because I'm typing this on a Win7 machine I just ordered a Ryzen chip for...

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by [deleted] »

kodfodrasz wrote: post #31
mdekkers wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also not inexpensive Isn't that what we pay them not insignificant amounts of money for?

You do not buy a perpetual support license with those OSes. The cost of those operating systems was for a given list of compatible hardware. Windows 7 support ended, Windows 8 support ended, and Windows 8.1 is no longer sold, but still supported (so security patches still arrive). Like it or not, I understand MS, as backporting and re-valdating anything is a huge cost. Been there, done that, although for embedded sys…

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