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Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

#71

Post by anigbrowl »

smhost wrote: post #65
kristopolous wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm gambling on "The Oil Age". Political strife will be placed in the context of petroleum geopolitics, energy sectors, climate change, and what will be dubbed "The first migration" (if ocean levels rise as some predict, there will be a second migration for 10% of global population [1]) You can wrap, among other things, the 70's OPEC wars, 79 Iranian revolution, 9/11 and the rise of Trump in a nice tiny bow and creat…

When I was in combat training (U.S., mid 2000s), a corporal who was teaching a munitions class one day started pointing to things and listing off random objects. Clothes, chairs, computer, projector, weapon lubricant, etc. He asked what all of these had in common. The answer was that they all contain petroleum derivatives. And that's why we go, he said. The 18-year-old idiot me didn't understand, so that night I went…

Lighten up with this: https://www.amazon.com/Illuminatus-Trilogy-Pyramid-Golden-Le...

There will be plenty of more serious stuff to read later.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

#72

Post by tremon »

tomp wrote: post #13
lawless123 wrote: post #6

Someone is very interested in pushing people towards far right pro-kremlim parties in Europe right before elections..

I wouldn't be that sure - the tensions escalated before today's Dutch elections, but the cause of the escalation was the current ruling party (the PM banned some turkish gatherings/protests, and then blocked a Turkish minister's plane from landing in the Netherlands). So one could argue that the mainstream party tried to woo right-wing-ish voters by taking a stronger stance against Turks/muslims.

but the cause of the escalation was the current ruling party

Of Turkey, yes. There's an understanding amongst democratic countries that you do not interfere in national elections. Sending a member of the cabinet to another country during national elections is interfering. Any Dutch government should have sent them packing, and the Turkish government was actually counting on that: now Erdogan has additional ammunition to paint the EU as an enemy. It surprises me that he hasn't declared The Netherlands to be secretly ruled by Gulen yet.

Do you really think it would have gone down nicely if the European Commission would have campaigned in England during the Brexit campaign? Or if Putin would have gone to the US to campaign for Trump?

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

#74

Post by r00fus »

kristopolous wrote: post #68
pjc50 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so The history books will be written by the victors. What the history says will depend hugely on whether we have free informational continuity between now and then or a massive legal/totalitarian/military/nuclear/catastrophic "wipe" destroying that. (Less dramatically, this is obviously the era when intelligence agencies are fighting and the internet is…

History is written within the perspective of the writers and benign things constantly drive revisionism. It's often to support a mythical narrative and provide some kind of cohesive abstract framework to justify policy positions and a depiction of an austere past. For instance, free speech, as we know it, really came around WW1-era and was due to people like Learned Hand convincing Oliver Wendell Holmes. But since th…

I had to look up the non-citizen voting thing. Mind blown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in...

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

#75

Post by M_Grey »

oxide wrote: post #21
kristopolous wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also a highly contentious Netherlands elections today[1] and there was a swift escalation in Turkish-Dutch politics yesterday[2]. [1] http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-election-po... [2] http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/03/turkey-suspend...

As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.

I think in a 100 years there won't be many history books being written. Think of what climate change is gong to do in just the next 30 years, and then be honest with yourself about the next 100. Look at what a small amount of migration has done to global politics, and imagine a couple of billion on the move.

Look at nationalism and populism on the rise. We've passed the point of no-return I think... that will be the lesson for any surviving future historians.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

#76

Post by M_Grey »

smhost wrote: post #65
kristopolous wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm gambling on "The Oil Age". Political strife will be placed in the context of petroleum geopolitics, energy sectors, climate change, and what will be dubbed "The first migration" (if ocean levels rise as some predict, there will be a second migration for 10% of global population [1]) You can wrap, among other things, the 70's OPEC wars, 79 Iranian revolution, 9/11 and the rise of Trump in a nice tiny bow and creat…

When I was in combat training (U.S., mid 2000s), a corporal who was teaching a munitions class one day started pointing to things and listing off random objects. Clothes, chairs, computer, projector, weapon lubricant, etc. He asked what all of these had in common. The answer was that they all contain petroleum derivatives. And that's why we go, he said. The 18-year-old idiot me didn't understand, so that night I went…

For 18... you saw a lot and you saw it clearly; no wonder it hurt so much.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

#77

Post by kristopolous »

r00fus wrote: post #74
kristopolous wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History is written within the perspective of the writers and benign things constantly drive revisionism. It's often to support a mythical narrative and provide some kind of cohesive abstract framework to justify policy positions and a depiction of an austere past. For instance, free speech, as we know it, really came around WW1-era and was due to people like Learned Hand convincing Oliver Wendell Holmes. But since th…

I had to look up the non-citizen voting thing. Mind blown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in...

Many of these things I go to university libraries to research. I'm actually walking through downtown LA to get the results of prop 14 in 1952 right now from LA public. That was to repeal article 19 of the California Constitution which excluded and put severe restrictions on Chinese people.

I'm curious if there was an against campaign for its repeal. Most of the online archives I could find referred to it as antiquated and unenforced but I would like to know what the results were and if there's any op eds leading up to it.

Edit: nope, there was an 1880 case that nullified the article. This was a mere formality. There was very little mention of it beyond that. Passed with 78%

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

#78

Post by [deleted] »

kristopolous wrote: post #77
r00fus wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to look up the non-citizen voting thing. Mind blown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in...

Many of these things I go to university libraries to research. I'm actually walking through downtown LA to get the results of prop 14 in 1952 right now from LA public. That was to repeal article 19 of the California Constitution which excluded and put severe restrictions on Chinese people. I'm curious if there was an against campaign for its repeal. Most of the online archives I could find referred to it as antiquate…

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Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

#79

Post by dpc59 »

M_Grey wrote: post #75
oxide wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.

I think in a 100 years there won't be many history books being written. Think of what climate change is gong to do in just the next 30 years, and then be honest with yourself about the next 100. Look at what a small amount of migration has done to global politics, and imagine a couple of billion on the move. Look at nationalism and populism on the rise. We've passed the point of no-return I think... that will be the…

I think you underestimate the adaptative capacities of human society. If global warming doesn't exterminate all human life it'll take about one generation for people to get used to it. On the scale of human history a single generation really isn't much.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

#80

Post by pjc50 »

kristopolous wrote: post #68
pjc50 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so The history books will be written by the victors. What the history says will depend hugely on whether we have free informational continuity between now and then or a massive legal/totalitarian/military/nuclear/catastrophic "wipe" destroying that. (Less dramatically, this is obviously the era when intelligence agencies are fighting and the internet is…

History is written within the perspective of the writers and benign things constantly drive revisionism. It's often to support a mythical narrative and provide some kind of cohesive abstract framework to justify policy positions and a depiction of an austere past. For instance, free speech, as we know it, really came around WW1-era and was due to people like Learned Hand convincing Oliver Wendell Holmes. But since th…

[homosexuality in the 1800s]

> messing up the narrative of progressivism and civil rights

Is it? There's a whole subfield of queer history devoted to getting an accurate record of this kind of thing. Arguing that it's always been present in society but treated very differently by different societies.

It does mess up the Whig view of progressiveness being on a ratchet.

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