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The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Post by atmosx »

am_i_down wrote: post #15
harigov wrote: post #6

What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

Are you serious? It is largely a reaction to globalization and the refugee crisis.

> Are you serious? It is largely a reaction to globalization and the refugee crisis.

The financial crisis is the real problem. The refugee crisis is just another problem on top of the existing one... Basically people already struggling to make end meet, don't want extra cheap labour in the market.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Post by lend000 »

castis wrote: post #31
lend000 wrote: post #19

The sooner the EU dissolves, the better.

Yeah? What makes you say that?

The EU is composed of seven major institutions, only one of which has direct representation by voters (the EU parliament), and the number of representatives of each country is (roughly) proportional to their size, so any given voter of a small EU country has effectively zero representation. The EU is very far from a democratic, representative system, and yet it hold tremendous power over its 'constituents.' Not to mention the irresponsible ECB policies and fiscal safety net draining the few remaining EU countries with any wealth... I'd like to see more state sovereignty and individual sovereignty return to Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apportionment_in_the_European_...

The freedom of trade and movement that the EU brought is great, but I suspect that for the most part, that can be negotiated without a 'super-government' making the rules.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Post by dottedmag »

vmarsy wrote: post #67
sleavey wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me to go on vacation to the US, as a European citizen (outside of the 6 countries that are the reason for this action), I just need to get an ESTA for $15 or so. I guess the EU visa will cost something similar. It's not going to change anything.

there's around 12 million travelers* from the US to Europe every year, so if a ESTA-reciprocity is implemented, it'll bring around $180m of revenue to European immigration offices. * that's only counting leisure travelers, there might be many more business travelers?

How much will it cost to staff these offices and process visa applications?

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Post by kome »

harigov wrote: post #6

What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

> What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

Well: unemployment, under employment, insecurity and difficult living ate really striking hard our societies. That's the reason.

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Post by kzrdude »

Cuuugi wrote: post #18
bpodgursky wrote: post #3

Yeah... Not going to happen. Americans spend billions on European vacations, and nobody is going to threaten that when push comes to shove (any additional hassle is going to send people to Cancun instead). This is just posturing.

That is absolutely true, however the majority of European sway is with Germany, and the lost tourism would hit other countries (Greece, Spain, Croatia) much harder.

There's a ton of tourists in Germany during summer though.

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Post by Balgair »

frabbit wrote: post #47
Balgair wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I was gonna say early Climate Change effects and Automation/AI's wealth concentration. Just wait until the Genetic Engineering really starts rolling now that we have CRISPR-CAS9.

Resistance to smallpox for those that can afford it or are useful?

Meh, mortality rate would be bad, but not as bad as it was in those days. IVs help a lot with dehydration, which they did not have. You'll need something more lethal to accomplish the terrifying and sadistic goal of being the worst thing to have happened to the world since the dinosaurs. Likely, we will just mumble along like we always have through the black death, polio, etc.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Post by Exofunctor »

lispm wrote: post #72

> Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for this. Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for your nonsense. > and yes, it's a real quote It isn't. > I'm not even European I am.

> Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for your nonsense.

Feel free to actually try to refute anything I said.

> It isn't.

It is according to Avraham Burg, and I'm not sure there is anyone more qualified to make such a claim.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Post by darkhorn »

harigov wrote: post #6

What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

Would it be OK to ask for visa from Texas but not from Alaska? Huh?

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Post by Findeton »

SubZero wrote: post #49
harigov wrote: post #6

What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

As others have stated here, this is largely a reaction to globalization and immigration issues that have been present in the world's view. Globalization has left a large portion of each country behind. Large multinational firms have moved a lot of their low-skill labor to cheaper markets and developing countries, leaving a large swath of former employees in their wake with very little perceived hope of finding anothe…

"In another comment section (Reddit, I believe) there was anecdotal evidence that visitors from Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland and Romania regularly outstayed their visas and were notorious for violating a tourist visa, hence the additional checks the US wanted to put them through."

Well, what would you think if we said the same thing about US-americans (remember the term american is also from Colombians) from a number of states?

No, we the EU are one and if you do this to Bulgaria, you are doing this to all of us. This is not nationalism, it's actually the opposite.

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