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Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by sbuk »

tlow wrote: post #70
jp555 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bret Victor tweeted that the TouchBar took 8 years of work to go from conception to production. https://twitter.com/worrydream/status/791767756928462848 You sure it was a reaction to MS?

Steve Jobs: "I'm as proud of the things I have done as the things I have not". Jobs would not have brought this version of TouchBar to market; not a chance.[1] [1] My source is my personal opinion and anecdotal. If I'm not unimpeachably correct in this assertion you should downvote; there is no possible means to prove the assertion so only judgement can decide the validity of my claim. While I had met Jobs and had mu…

It doesn't matter what Jobs would've done. It's a different Apple now. Also "Never ask what I would do. Just do what's right." Tim, Jonny or whoever clearly thought the Touch Bar was "right".

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by fludlight »

tachion wrote: post #62

Since the author quotes prices in GBP, I'd say to everyone - skip the Apple Care! In UK consumer electronics state-enforced-warranty (or whatever these particular consumer rights are called) is 6 years. That's not a typo, it is 6 years and I've used it twice for my Apple gear that was outside of manufacturer's warranty and without Apple Care. Save yourself £329 and know your rights. And dont get my word on it, check…

So it's a bit more nuanced than that. You can get an I-changed-my-mind full refund in the first 14 days but only if you bought the item online. You can also get a full refund in the first 30 days if the item is defective whether you bought it online or in a brick and mortar store. You can also get a full refund in the first 6 months if it is defective and cannot be repaired or replaced. After six months, you can only get a partial refund and only if the item is defective. IMHO that's still pretty good.

The rules vary a bit between England and Scotland and I am too tired to look up Wales and Northern Ireland right now.

https://www.gov.uk/accepting-returns-and-giving-refunds

https://www.businesscompanion.info/sites/default/files/Retur... (linked from the above gov.uk URL)

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/somethings-gone-w...

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by hpaavola »

r00fus wrote: post #57
WildUtah wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a real detriment to UI, it costs you battery life, it's a distracting gimmick, and it adds $200 to the cost of your machine. And Apple will never give up on it. Every Mac is going to be worse for years and years because of it. Enjoy.

If Apple keeps it, they will improve on it to the point where it doesn't suck.

I don't believe that the fundamental issue can be fixed. Ironically "Touch Bar" is something you can't feel when you touch it. Real physical buttons guide your finger to the correct location if you miss them slightly. "Touch" buttons don't.

To fix that, one would need to rework the whole OS and applications in such way that they don't use F-keys at all, but rather something else.

So, fixing Touch Bar means rethinking OS and application shortcuts.

I don't think average users really use F-buttons that much, but we developers generally do.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

sbuk wrote: post #71
tlow wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs: "I'm as proud of the things I have done as the things I have not". Jobs would not have brought this version of TouchBar to market; not a chance.[1] [1] My source is my personal opinion and anecdotal. If I'm not unimpeachably correct in this assertion you should downvote; there is no possible means to prove the assertion so only judgement can decide the validity of my claim. While I had met Jobs and had mu…

It doesn't matter what Jobs would've done. It's a different Apple now. Also "Never ask what I would do. Just do what's right." Tim, Jonny or whoever clearly thought the Touch Bar was "right".

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Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by fludlight »

adiabatty wrote: post #22
jwilliams wrote: post #15

I've got the 13" maxed out Late 2016. I've owned every form factor of the MacBook Pro and this is my least favorite. I like the USB-C and have bought into the tradeoff of having no Magsafe. It's also a minor plus to be able to plug in either side of the machine. The TouchID is good too. However, I've found the TouchID extremely laggy for some reason (esp. on unlock) which really reduced the benefit. The keyboard is _…

I suspect I'd use the touch bar in Notes where I frequently want to use title and header and normal formatting, but have trouble remembering the keyboard shortcuts for those three functions (I'm not in Notes much). In other apps, I don't know how much I'd use it.

That's the thing: the HN crowd is a small segment of their user base. For most people, Cmd-P might as well be C-x M-c M-butterfly. The touch bar doesn't replace the function keys but rather the mouse.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by tachion »

H4CK3RM4N wrote: post #69
tachion wrote: post #62

Since the author quotes prices in GBP, I'd say to everyone - skip the Apple Care! In UK consumer electronics state-enforced-warranty (or whatever these particular consumer rights are called) is 6 years. That's not a typo, it is 6 years and I've used it twice for my Apple gear that was outside of manufacturer's warranty and without Apple Care. Save yourself £329 and know your rights. And dont get my word on it, check…

Don't do this with iOS devices though. Apple care discounts screen replacements/other repairs significantly with mobile devices.

As far as consumer rights are concerned, you shouldn't give a damn what the manufacturer discontinues. If the device fails within 6 years it should be fixed, replaced (happened to me, brand new iPhone 5 handed over immediately) or refunded.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by tachion »

fludlight wrote: post #72
tachion wrote: post #62

Since the author quotes prices in GBP, I'd say to everyone - skip the Apple Care! In UK consumer electronics state-enforced-warranty (or whatever these particular consumer rights are called) is 6 years. That's not a typo, it is 6 years and I've used it twice for my Apple gear that was outside of manufacturer's warranty and without Apple Care. Save yourself £329 and know your rights. And dont get my word on it, check…

So it's a bit more nuanced than that. You can get an I-changed-my-mind full refund in the first 14 days but only if you bought the item online. You can also get a full refund in the first 30 days if the item is defective whether you bought it online or in a brick and mortar store. You can also get a full refund in the first 6 months if it is defective and cannot be repaired or replaced. After six months, you can only…

It isn't really, because I wasn't just talking about return rights or periods, I was talking about rights when the device fails in whatever way within 6 years.

http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by yaegers »

hellofunk wrote: post #32

In December 2016, I purchased new the 2015 model that Apple still sells. I've never been so pleased with a computer (and it was a lot cheaper than the Touch Bar model). One big surprise is that after nearly 3 months of using it every day for software development, I am still getting 15 hours battery life. This just amazes me and was far beyond my expectation. (Now, I mainly use emacs, clang, and terminal, but even com…

Battery life seems not like a surprise. Isn't Apple only selling 2015 MacBooks without a discrete GPU? So you basically only have Intel Graphics in there which would mean a charge lasts much longer if it doesn't need to drive an NVidia or AMD card as well.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by contergan »

yaegers wrote: post #79
hellofunk wrote: post #32

In December 2016, I purchased new the 2015 model that Apple still sells. I've never been so pleased with a computer (and it was a lot cheaper than the Touch Bar model). One big surprise is that after nearly 3 months of using it every day for software development, I am still getting 15 hours battery life. This just amazes me and was far beyond my expectation. (Now, I mainly use emacs, clang, and terminal, but even com…

Battery life seems not like a surprise. Isn't Apple only selling 2015 MacBooks without a discrete GPU? So you basically only have Intel Graphics in there which would mean a charge lasts much longer if it doesn't need to drive an NVidia or AMD card as well.

I'm inclined not to believe the 15 hour claim. I've had the 2015 MBP since it came out and get maybe 4-5 hours of battery life doing non-heavy web development nowadays. After I newly bought it I got maybe around 7 hours at most. With integrated graphics only of course - with the dedicated GPU active I get around 3 hours or so only.
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