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Not a surprise to me, their HDDs are junk. I've had two burn out in work machines and one personal external burn out. I never buy their gear anymore
My day job is working as an HPC Sysadmin on a decent sized supercomputer with petabyte scale storage for a private consulting company. I spend a lot of time dealing with and thinking about storage and honestly I don't think mechanical disks are long for this world. For our next storage expansion it's ALMOST worth ditching storage tiering and going to an all flash/SSD configuration. There is so much hassle involved wi…
Recently had a small cluster (12 nodes) where close to half the SSDs used for the root filesystems failed in a span of a few months. Turned out to be a defective batch from manufacturer. SSDs are normally reliable but in my experience are not immune to problems.
Not a surprise to me, their HDDs are junk. I've had two burn out in work machines and one personal external burn out. I never buy their gear anymore
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It's not that simple. How much do you pay to keep those HDDs powered per TB per year? How much does maintenance cost (replacing drives etc.)? How does the low IOPS of those drives affect your workload? SSDs may not win in every area yet, but if you only look at purchase price, you're not getting the right picture.
> How much does maintenance cost (replacing drives etc.)? The maintenance on enterprise storage is generally a percentage of purchase price. So it's actually cheaper. >How much do you pay to keep those HDDs powered per TB per year? 4.5 watts idle/8 watts max for a spinning drive vs. 4.5 watts idle/11 watts max for a large capacity SSD (15TB Samsung). The power consumption thing was a much better story comparing 3.5"…
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You can buy HDDs for $20 / TB. There are companies with millions of TB. Unless SSDs can meet that price point, HDDs have a very comfortable place in society.
You are correct in that hard drives are still an order of magnitude cheaper per unit of storage than solid state drives. Then again, tape drives are still an order of magnitude cheaper per unit storage than hard drives. When was the last time you saw a tape drive?
There's no point storing that on a high-IOPS, always-on medium, like an SSD or even HDD.
Tapes are big, and still make complete sense for backup purposes, especially if you want to maintain latest 10-15 backup copies to choose from.
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Can you do that? Can't the judge say that you have to drop the individual suit and join the class action because they are similar complaints? I have no legal experience and I'm thinking completely from the point that the judge would want his job to be easier.
Nope, you can chose to not join the class-action (or remove yourself form it) and pursue your own legal matter in court. The judge might try to fold your case into the class-action, but only if that class-action falls within their circuit's jurisdiction.
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You are correct in that hard drives are still an order of magnitude cheaper per unit of storage than solid state drives. Then again, tape drives are still an order of magnitude cheaper per unit storage than hard drives. When was the last time you saw a tape drive?
The film industry commonly uses tapes for digital storage of their media. I've been told (but don't know this myself) that government uses tape for long term data storage as well.
Couldn't shake that Maxtor curse. Good riddance, I say. I'm involved in the Seagate class action over bad drives, but like many other class actions I've been involved in, I seriously doubt I'll see much of the thousands of dollars I've sunk into drives Seagate sold me knowing they had atrocious failure rates. Perhaps a five or ten dollar consolation check like usual.
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> How much does maintenance cost (replacing drives etc.)? The maintenance on enterprise storage is generally a percentage of purchase price. So it's actually cheaper. >How much do you pay to keep those HDDs powered per TB per year? 4.5 watts idle/8 watts max for a spinning drive vs. 4.5 watts idle/11 watts max for a large capacity SSD (15TB Samsung). The power consumption thing was a much better story comparing 3.5"…
Thanks. To add another layer to this, presumably SSD read/write is faster so there would be less time at max usage?
SSDs are highly transactional workloads like databases or most back-end systems for applications or virtual machines.
You RARELY see the two used for the same type of workload unless someone has money to burn and wants to standardize on SSD and doesn't care about cost. SATA/NL-SAS being used for a workload that should be on SSD generally results in someone getting fired and the original system being forklift replaced.
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To my point, this is still the same argument that has been made time and time again with regards to storage. Short term upticks are easy to see in historical SSD pricing, even when looking at the longterm trend. Source: http://www.jcmit.com/mem2015.htm
If you think this is the same you haven't been paying attention to what's happening in the industry. Moore's Law as we know it is dead, shrinking the node size isn't cutting costs like it used to. A lot of people are still in denial over this, but it's going to have major repercussions in the IC industry.