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Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by 1123581321 »

ctack wrote: post #61
mdasen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It totally is a great experience. The page loads fast without too much crap. But it's also sad that something not-quite-open is taking over an important part of the web. AMP is this Google-wrapped version of a part of the web that tries to keep you in Google's land rather than allowing you to browse the site you visited. As a user, I like clicking on AMP links. But in a certain way, it's like eating candy. I know it'…

I find the idea of the largest search engine repackaging others content without even hitting the content owner's site to be frankly rude. These sites pander to be ranked and get hits and then Google turns around and pulls this.

The sites are implementing AMP. Google gets the HTML and assets for its CDN cache by crawling the sites. Publishers are aware of this.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by youngtaff »

seanwilson wrote: post #31

I can understand how the aspect of the control Google has over AMP isn't ideal but you can't deny AMP sites are a great user experience on mobile. Pages tend to load for me in less than 0.5 seconds even on my mobile connection. For other sites, pages can take 10 to 30 seconds to load, have pop-ups, image loading causes the page the jump up/down etc. Making sites with small download sizes and quick rendering is a very…

Yes, but some of the things that cause issues e.g. eager loading of JS and images are the result of internal priorities in the browser

What if instead of forcing sites to re-implement themselves using a set of custom JavaScript components they actually changed they way browsers behaved e.g. via meta tag / header etc.?

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by mort96 »

ninkendo wrote: post #37
colinbartlett wrote: post #6

AMP is absolutely infuriating. I constantly share links via iOS extensions, for example Slack, and AMP gives me this ridiculous google.com link. I've thought about building an adblock style blocking mechanism for these links. But it seems I'd end up blocking an increasingly large percentage of the search results.

No joke, it became enough of an issue for me that I ended up switching to DuckDuckGo on mobile. It's been around 3 months now. Google really really really needs to fix amp links.

I switched to iOS this christmas. One of the first things I did was try to google something, get infuriated by the crappy AMP user experience, get even more infuriated there was no way to disable it anywhere, and switch to DDG.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by Lazare »

ctack wrote: post #61
mdasen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It totally is a great experience. The page loads fast without too much crap. But it's also sad that something not-quite-open is taking over an important part of the web. AMP is this Google-wrapped version of a part of the web that tries to keep you in Google's land rather than allowing you to browse the site you visited. As a user, I like clicking on AMP links. But in a certain way, it's like eating candy. I know it'…

I find the idea of the largest search engine repackaging others content without even hitting the content owner's site to be frankly rude. These sites pander to be ranked and get hits and then Google turns around and pulls this.

AMP is an opt-in thing that publishers have to implement. If you go out of your way to get google to display your AMP content, it's hardly "rude", nor is google "pulling something" on the sites.

A valid critique is that publishers might feel forced to offer AMP whether they want to or not in order to still get traffic and pagerank, but even then, it's not like they're being tricked. It's still opt in.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by snowwrestler »

saurik wrote: post #50
snowwrestler wrote: post #4

To be clear, this is referring to the client side--that is, from the perspective of mobile web searchers, you can't ask Google to hide AMP results from the results page. To my knowledge, publishers still have to opt into participating in Google AMP, and I assume they can opt out? That was my fear in reading the headline--that publisher participation in AMP is irrevocable, which would be bad.

If you stop doing AMP, won't all of the non-canonical/duplicated/evil amp.google.com URLs users have now shared and linked to your content going to break, meaning that once you go AMP you are effectively trapped?

Good question. I don't know.

Or maybe, once Google has a hosted copy of an AMP page, it will never remove it.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by EpicEng »

dx034 wrote: post #69
EpicEng wrote: post #28

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Oh that damn bar on the top...

At least they seem to have fixed that now (according to the blog post). Once they publish the fix to allow sharing the original URL, I don't see any downsides with AMP.

My issue is that it disappears whens drilling, but slides back in when I stop. I typically continue to scroll as I read, so it constantly gets in the way.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by dx034 »

EpicEng wrote: post #76
dx034 wrote: post #69

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At least they seem to have fixed that now (according to the blog post). Once they publish the fix to allow sharing the original URL, I don't see any downsides with AMP.

My issue is that it disappears whens drilling, but slides back in when I stop. I typically continue to scroll as I read, so it constantly gets in the way.

I also don't like that, but I still keep clicking links when they have the flash. Faster loading time beats usability to a certain degree for me, and most web developers are terrible when it comes to that.

I must admit, HN is probably the only more complex page I know (i.e. some interactivity, not just a blog) that loads fast on any connection.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by username223 »

euyyn wrote: post #63
username223 wrote: post #33

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> Disclaimer: I work for a non-Google Alphabet company. I.e. you work for Google, but not in advertising. The attempted rebranding has been awfully heavy-handed lately.

I work for Google Cloud and I wouldn't call that advertising nor a "non-Google Alphabet company". So GP's distinction is useful and yours isn't.

My bad -- I forgot that Google was also in the shared hosting business. What is a useful dividing line between "Google" and "Alphabet"?

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by QuercusMax »

username223 wrote: post #78
euyyn wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work for Google Cloud and I wouldn't call that advertising nor a "non-Google Alphabet company". So GP's distinction is useful and yours isn't.

My bad -- I forgot that Google was also in the shared hosting business. What is a useful dividing line between "Google" and "Alphabet"?

Alphabet is a holding company that trades under GOOG and GOOGL. Alphabet itself doesn't do a whole lot aside from allocate capital to its subsidiary companies.

Aside from Google, Alphabet owns Calico, DeepMind, GV (formerly Google Ventures), CapitalG (formerly Google Capital), X, Google Fiber, Nest Labs, Jigsaw, Sidewalk Labs, Verily (formerly Google Life Sciences - my company) and Waymo. These things are all "Not Google".

Google is everything that's owned/done by Google Inc. This includes Search, Ads, Chrome, Android, Google+, Google Cloud Platform, GSuite (GMail/Docs/Sheets/Slides/etc), and tons of other stuff.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by username223 »

QuercusMax wrote: post #79
username223 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bad -- I forgot that Google was also in the shared hosting business. What is a useful dividing line between "Google" and "Alphabet"?

Alphabet is a holding company that trades under GOOG and GOOGL. Alphabet itself doesn't do a whole lot aside from allocate capital to its subsidiary companies. Aside from Google, Alphabet owns Calico, DeepMind, GV (formerly Google Ventures), CapitalG (formerly Google Capital), X, Google Fiber, Nest Labs, Jigsaw, Sidewalk Labs, Verily (formerly Google Life Sciences - my company) and Waymo. These things are all "Not Go…

Thanks. I would have expected that Google was either profit or surveillance, while Alphabet (i.e. not-Google) was the rest. It seems more like Google is "mostly not burning money," while not-Google is the rest.
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