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post #48

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why would you bring life into this world without having absolutely everything in order?

That reminds me of the opening scene of 'idiocracy'. I didn't downvote you, but I think that there is something missing here. Nobody that has ever brought a child in to the world had absolutely everything in order. And even if they thought they did they would have soon found out that it was not the case. Then there is the period (pun not intended) between conception and delivery, in which a lot can change. Waiting fo…

i appreciate your answer, which i think is the best kind of answer people generally give.

but i want to ask you to consider something without any incredulity about my seriousness:

if you had not been born, you would not be bothered by not existing. and when eventually your parents die, they would no longer be bothered by not having had children.

Re: Reddit IAMA. An ex Google programmer switched to a job in the lumbering industry

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post #63
post #48

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why would you bring life into this world without having absolutely everything in order?

The author said "live a _comfortable life_ and save for daughter's college". He chose _not_ to live a comfortable life and he should be chided for this. Even if he could not save for his daughter's college, there are always other options available: scholarships, working while attending college, starting a community college and transferring (I did this for undergrad and paid my way through graduate school). I voted yo…

for the record, i don't think families with two six digit incomes should have children either. they're existence is dependent on the lives of people who do not earn six digit incomes, and so they are guilty of just as much misery in this world.

Re: Reddit IAMA. An ex Google programmer switched to a job in the lumbering industry

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The value of a programmer is not in what he has learned but in that he can learn fast.

Please, no false dichotomies.

Then don't interpret it as a dichotomy :-)

While fast learning per se is an asset in any field, however, in many occupations learning seems to be taken as a necessary evil that merely makes you wish you could do things like you used to and go on like that. You get trained to be something and when your field changes, you're forced to learn something new and you only do it then.

Programmers on the other hand—well, their job is to learn new stuff. Sometimes it's a new codebase, sometimes it's a new framework or library or language or protocol or a set of tools but there's always something new. The ultimate new thing is writing a program that hasn't existed before: everything is new. And even that new stuff doesn't have value per se, it's just a prerequisite for a programmer to "get things done". Stuff gets into the fashion and stuff becomes obsolete, but the programmer is riding on the front wave.

Not only good programmers have to be able to learn, they have to be able to learn fast. Programmers can't afford to take a six-month course to learn something new. If you can't learn new stuff and successfully map out the diffs of how it relates to stuff you already know, you're out soon.

As someone pointed out, while being able to learn also means that the programmer has undoubtedly learned a lot, I still argue that the value is indeed in the ability itself. A junior guy with the good programmer aptitude and ability to learn can bump himself into shape in a few years of time. Another programmer who has already learned a lot but who has lost the willingness to learn anything new is toast sooner than that.

Learning is implicit in the job of a programmer. When your job is to circle around the boundaries of unknown, it is something that you can't avoid.

Re: Reddit IAMA. An ex Google programmer switched to a job in the lumbering industry

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post #47

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he's a ceo type who attacked "job hoppers" as the worst kind of employees / "never hire them". this ties into the incident with calacanis labeling a gen-y ex-employee who had the audacity to quit his job a "flake"/"trophy kid". i genuinely hate suster and calacanis. they're a big part of what makes me want to leave this fucking industry. http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/22/never-hire-job...

So stop reading them. That's the easiest way out, you get some time back that you can use in more productive ways too, and you lose absolutely nothing.

i should have added "and their type". a type i can't seem to avoid in my professional life.

confronting their mentality (by reading what they write, by reading what others write about what they write) feels productive. more productive than cultivating a kind of detachment towards 50+ hours of every week of my life.

but maybe it isn't - i'll give this a try. thanks.

Re: Reddit IAMA. An ex Google programmer switched to a job in the lumbering industry

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post #71

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That reminds me of the opening scene of 'idiocracy'. I didn't downvote you, but I think that there is something missing here. Nobody that has ever brought a child in to the world had absolutely everything in order. And even if they thought they did they would have soon found out that it was not the case. Then there is the period (pun not intended) between conception and delivery, in which a lot can change. Waiting fo…

i appreciate your answer, which i think is the best kind of answer people generally give. but i want to ask you to consider something without any incredulity about my seriousness: if you had not been born, you would not be bothered by not existing. and when eventually your parents die, they would no longer be bothered by not having had children.

I'm really happy that Hermann and Pauline Einstein didn't feel this way.

Re: Reddit IAMA. An ex Google programmer switched to a job in the lumbering industry

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of the opening scene of 'idiocracy'. I didn't downvote you, but I think that there is something missing here. Nobody that has ever brought a child in to the world had absolutely everything in order. And even if they thought they did they would have soon found out that it was not the case. Then there is the period (pun not intended) between conception and delivery, in which a lot can change. Waiting fo…

i appreciate your answer, which i think is the best kind of answer people generally give. but i want to ask you to consider something without any incredulity about my seriousness: if you had not been born, you would not be bothered by not existing. and when eventually your parents die, they would no longer be bothered by not having had children.

> but i want to ask you to consider something without any incredulity about my seriousness:

Ok, that's fine with me.

> if you had not been born, you would not be bothered by not existing. and when eventually your parents die, they would no longer be bothered by not having had children.

That's a statement, not a question.

Re: Reddit IAMA. An ex Google programmer switched to a job in the lumbering industry

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post #73

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Please, no false dichotomies.

Then don't interpret it as a dichotomy :-) While fast learning per se is an asset in any field, however, in many occupations learning seems to be taken as a necessary evil that merely makes you wish you could do things like you used to and go on like that. You get trained to be something and when your field changes, you're forced to learn something new and you only do it then. Programmers on the other hand—well, thei…

I think the biggest reason why absorbing new knowledge quickly is a must when you are a programmer is that you are working for other people to be more productive in what they already know how to do, and if you can't understand their 'domain specific knowledge' as they try to impart it to you then you will have a hard time implementing something that will make them happy.

Re: Reddit IAMA. An ex Google programmer switched to a job in the lumbering industry

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i appreciate your answer, which i think is the best kind of answer people generally give. but i want to ask you to consider something without any incredulity about my seriousness: if you had not been born, you would not be bothered by not existing. and when eventually your parents die, they would no longer be bothered by not having had children.

> but i want to ask you to consider something without any incredulity about my seriousness: Ok, that's fine with me. > if you had not been born, you would not be bothered by not existing. and when eventually your parents die, they would no longer be bothered by not having had children. That's a statement, not a question.

i don't quite understand the miscommunication here. i'm asking you to consider a statement.

edit: maybe you overlooked ^"to consider" and just read "i want to ask you ^ something".

Re: Reddit IAMA. An ex Google programmer switched to a job in the lumbering industry

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post #78

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> but i want to ask you to consider something without any incredulity about my seriousness: Ok, that's fine with me. > if you had not been born, you would not be bothered by not existing. and when eventually your parents die, they would no longer be bothered by not having had children. That's a statement, not a question.

i don't quite understand the miscommunication here. i'm asking you to consider a statement. edit: maybe you overlooked ^"to consider" and just read "i want to ask you ^ something".

Ah, ok, I get it now. Ok, I've 'considered' it, now what?

It's a bit too philosophical for me, you could ask anybody to 'consider' that and they would most likely land on 'but that isn't how it happened'.

Asking someone to consider some alternate reality and what their position would have been in that alternate reality is difficult stuff, at a minimum you'd have to concede that you can't really consider any 'alternative universes' simply because this is the one we've got.

So, in this universe, I exist, I'm happy I do and my parents, even though they probably made a wrong decision or two did have two kids.

The line of reasoning you are pursuing leads to either a very empty planet or to a planet with different people, two random specimens of which could be having this exact same conversation on a nodesloc called latest.zjoiner.com.

Re: Reddit IAMA. An ex Google programmer switched to a job in the lumbering industry

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of the opening scene of 'idiocracy'. I didn't downvote you, but I think that there is something missing here. Nobody that has ever brought a child in to the world had absolutely everything in order. And even if they thought they did they would have soon found out that it was not the case. Then there is the period (pun not intended) between conception and delivery, in which a lot can change. Waiting fo…

i appreciate your answer, which i think is the best kind of answer people generally give. but i want to ask you to consider something without any incredulity about my seriousness: if you had not been born, you would not be bothered by not existing. and when eventually your parents die, they would no longer be bothered by not having had children.

Ah, the void of non-existence is certainly filled with emptiness. It's what happens to the living that matters, though. Put another way, is Schrödinger's cat alive or dead? Does it matter if you don't intend to open the box?
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