Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

Post by tomelders » Tue, Dec 27, 2016, 10:27 AM UTC

smallnamespace wrote: post #3

Even if these restaurants succeed, one risk is that 'no tipping' is just something that upscale restaurants in rich areas adopt because only they can afford to. Waiters in those restaurants are already compensated much better than your average waiter on a roadway diner -- this would literally only be helping the already better off.

Post by ikeyany » Tue, Dec 27, 2016, 10:39 AM UTC

gommm wrote: post #57

> Tips are also handled differently in different states, but in New York, by law, they can be pooled and distributed only to “front of house” employees: those who work in the dining room, like waiters, bartenders and backwaiters (formerly known as busboys). That really makes no sense to me. When I go to a restaurant, I value the food a lot more than the service. I've come back again to restaurants where I hated the s…

Post by maverick_iceman » Tue, Dec 27, 2016, 10:52 AM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #70

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would one prefer to pay for abstract social services extended to people who are TBD instead of rewarding a specific person to whom one is actually grateful?

Because of the law? You can still reward them as much as you want, but the law says that some of that reward has to be sent to the government. I can understand not agreeing with that law, but I can't understand justifying helping someone to breaking it in a non-emergency situation.

Post by xorxornop » Tue, Dec 27, 2016, 11:03 AM UTC

ikeyany wrote: post #74

gommm wrote: post #57

> Tips are also handled differently in different states, but in New York, by law, they can be pooled and distributed only to “front of house” employees: those who work in the dining room, like waiters, bartenders and backwaiters (formerly known as busboys). That really makes no sense to me. When I go to a restaurant, I value the food a lot more than the service. I've come back again to restaurants where I hated the s…

It makes sense when you think about it from the perspective of a culture that is focused on image and the perception of image. With that point of view in mind, why would you prioritize those working behind the scenes?

Post by wubbfindel » Tue, Dec 27, 2016, 11:14 AM UTC

robjan wrote: post #77

wubbfindel wrote: post #55

I've been to many restaurants here in the UK (and in Europe) where the "service charge" is automatically applied to the bill. You're not expected to tip at these places. Many people don't realise; If you receive bad service, complain and the charge can be either reduced or waived altogether. [edit for clarity]

I don't really like the trend of automatically adding a service charge to bills in London. It's a bit dishonest as it's just used as a way to reduce the prices on the menu outside the door to draw more customers in and the staff do not directly receive the money raised.