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Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by the8472 »

benevol wrote: post #59
rokosbasilisk wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think uncensored internet is under attack in general even in the america and europe. No one with power seems to like the idea of stuff they cant control.

> I think uncensored internet is under attack in general even in the america and europe ...where the actors are more subtle and use mass surveillance to manipulate people and undermine "dissidents".

The UK is also putting quite a filtering infrastructure in place. To fight terrorism, extremists, porn, filesharing etc.

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by AlexCoventry »

gruez wrote: post #36
Tepix wrote: post #34

Decentralization is key to bypass these type of firewalls. All commercial VPN vendors will be on blacklists sooner or later. Hang around lowendtalk / lowendbox and rent a tiny dir cheap VPS. Just SSH there and use the SOCKS5 proxy built into SSH. I hope they will not block SSH any time soon. If they do you can set up a HTTPS website on your VPS with a secret proxy.

>I hope they will not block SSH any time soon GFW already does that. it's not that hard either, if you're using ssh for forwarding purposes, chances are you're using way more bandwidth than if you're using it for teletype only.

> GFW already [blocks ssh]

Where can I read more about that?

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by matt4077 »

dijit wrote: post #12
retox wrote: post #6

And the EU says we should welcome them in to Europe...

Actually it was Britain who were arguing for their membership for years. Most of the EU was wildly sceptical due to an incompatiblility of cultures. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11283...

"Incompatibility of cultures" is a slogan for "too dark-skinned" or "too muslim".

From around '95 to 2005 Turkey was making excellent progrsss on all fronts. They were as laicistic as the french, economically at least as competitive as Portugal was when they joined, had a generation of cosmopolitan entrepreneurs etc etc. They provably weren't ready for full membership, but a defined schedule with measurable checkpoints could have anchored the country in the EU.

But Kohl & Mitterand didn't just have to say no, they had to do it the most disrespectful of ways: "you're culturally incompatible and you always will be".

You'd think they could've at least looked at a map, maybe again some time in the fall of 2001 and thought "oh, what's that country? It'd be really useful if they'd work with us"

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by matt4077 »

brownbat wrote: post #61
pluma wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a very tight window of opportunity where that was realistic. At the time the only things standing in Turkey's way were the denial of the Armenian genocide and the death penalty. That window however closed a long time ago. Turkey was very reluctant to change either of these two things and EU member states weren't exactly crazy about the idea of Turkey becoming a member either. The EU's relations with Turkey…

Turkey has ten times Austria's population. Wasn't going to happen as long as each state gets a veto. The fears thrown around were: >10% of Austria's population is already foreign born, it would only take 1/100 Turkish citizens to double that. I like the idea of free movement of goods, money, and labor, but I think we're finding in elections around the world that once you hit that 10% foreign-born number, people tend…

Racism is pretty much anti-correlated with the local percentage of foreign-born residents. C. f. Hungary.

Also, this is still fantastic: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P9e2hoDKdUU/VFGYoFE7KnI/AAAAAAAAGt...

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by pluma »

brownbat wrote: post #61
pluma wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a very tight window of opportunity where that was realistic. At the time the only things standing in Turkey's way were the denial of the Armenian genocide and the death penalty. That window however closed a long time ago. Turkey was very reluctant to change either of these two things and EU member states weren't exactly crazy about the idea of Turkey becoming a member either. The EU's relations with Turkey…

Turkey has ten times Austria's population. Wasn't going to happen as long as each state gets a veto. The fears thrown around were: >10% of Austria's population is already foreign born, it would only take 1/100 Turkish citizens to double that. I like the idea of free movement of goods, money, and labor, but I think we're finding in elections around the world that once you hit that 10% foreign-born number, people tend…

According to Wikipedia, ethnic Turks make up 3% of the population in Austria. There are more Serbians in Austria than Turks. Approximately 4% of the population is Muslim.

I have a lot of things to say about Austrian political sensibilities, few of them are nice. Let's just say that it doesn't take much for Austria to act xenophobic.

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by funnyfacts365 »

Tepix wrote: post #40
gruez wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hope they will not block SSH any time soon GFW already does that. it's not that hard either, if you're using ssh for forwarding purposes, chances are you're using way more bandwidth than if you're using it for teletype only.

SSH can also be used for SCP...

And SFTP

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by d0mine »

rahrahrah wrote: post #22
wildmusings wrote: post #11

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I don't think the number of ISPs is really relevant. The rule of law is pretty strong in the United States. If the government made Tor illegal, and that law withstood constitutional scrutiny, it wouldn't really matter if there was one or one thousand ISPs.

Yeah. I think that crypto-ideologues (although I'm not saying that the parent is one) often underestimate the impact that the law has in practice on these matters.

You underestimate the selective use of law by the elites. How many bankers are behind bars? Do you see anybody punished for starting a war under false pretenses? for mass surveillance? for lying to Congress about it?

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by edblarney »

SCHiM wrote: post #70
edblarney wrote: post #15

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China definitely has the capabilities they need. They might get help from Cisco, but they don't need to. I worked in an F50 that sold services, and we were constantly having to 'help' countries like Tunisia, Kazakstan etc. do some things we didn't want them to do, we tried to steer clear of being involved but we could not in some circumstances. But it wasn't that bad, it was mostly porn filtering and such.

Which company was this?

"Which company was this?"

There's no way I would name the company, it would be a breach of confidentiality. If there was something tantamount to whistle-blowing, possibly, but there was nothing illegal going on.

"What is F50?"

'Fortune 50'

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by edblarney »

gaius wrote: post #37
edblarney wrote: post #2

In my experience, these countries do not have the sophistication to do such things on their own, they usually hire (often Western) outside firms to do this. I think it would be helpful if the press would 'name names' in terms of the companies that are enabling this.

That's a very Western attitude. Turkey is an advanced country with amongst others, a sophisticated aerospace industry. There is no reason they can't have local expertise in networking, which lets face it is simple in comparison.

"That's a very Western attitude"

Yeah. Sure. Turkey can make airplanes. Great.

They still need help with a lot of things. Can you name any Turkish companies that build packet sniffing hardware? That design special ASICS for this? Content filtering solutions? Specialized networking gear? Maybe, but probably not.

The vast majority of countries that have 'controlled internet' scenarios cannot do it themselves, or rather, it would be very difficult to do.

In fact - which countries could do it alone ...

Russia, China, surely. India. Turkey ... probably not.

Saudi, Morocco, Jordan, Egypt, Indo, basically every country in M/E and Africa, pretty much all of South America (maybe Brazil?), probably not Pakistan, not North Korea.

Forget 'Western' - there are just a few countries that could do it alone, depending on the degree of sophistication of control. Basically West/North Europe, USA/Can, Japan, S. Korea, Russia, China, India ... Singapore even is probably too small. It's not a long list.

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